well pump troubles
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well pump troubles
having well pump troubles.
the old Submersible went out couple of months ago,
i replaced with Shallow Well pump and am having problems
with the in and out pipes blowing off the pump.
for the well, i am useing a 300 gal. tank in the ground with the
pump sitting over the tank. inlet pipe about 8ft deep.
outlet runs over 5 or 6 feet over to a 50gal. pressure tank, ant from there the house.
i have a butt and ram suppling water to the holding tank, and
some times it stops and i run out of water. this is when i have
problems. the pump still runs when it is out of water and is building up pressure and blowing the fittings off.
i have a low pressure switch, and two pop off valves, and still
doing this.
the old Submersible went out couple of months ago,
i replaced with Shallow Well pump and am having problems
with the in and out pipes blowing off the pump.
for the well, i am useing a 300 gal. tank in the ground with the
pump sitting over the tank. inlet pipe about 8ft deep.
outlet runs over 5 or 6 feet over to a 50gal. pressure tank, ant from there the house.
i have a butt and ram suppling water to the holding tank, and
some times it stops and i run out of water. this is when i have
problems. the pump still runs when it is out of water and is building up pressure and blowing the fittings off.
i have a low pressure switch, and two pop off valves, and still
doing this.
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I am confused. Do you have two pumps? One a well pump and the other draws from a holding tank and supplies water to the house? Your title says well pump but then you provide information and pictures of the pump feeding the house.
I assume your holding tank in the ground is not pressurized.
You say the ram pump runs out of water and you run out of water... and the problems start. Isn't your ram pump water powered? Then you say the pump runs when you've run out of water... so are you talking about your jet pump feeding the house that runs when you are out of water? I'm not sure how that pump can build up such pressure when it's out of water.
I assume your holding tank in the ground is not pressurized.
You say the ram pump runs out of water and you run out of water... and the problems start. Isn't your ram pump water powered? Then you say the pump runs when you've run out of water... so are you talking about your jet pump feeding the house that runs when you are out of water? I'm not sure how that pump can build up such pressure when it's out of water.
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yes the pics is a well pump.
lets take the butt and ram out of the picture. this is working just like a shallow well.
well pump is sitting on a 300gal storage tank.well pump sucks water from storage tank and goes over to the pressure tank,
and from there to the house.30 50 switch, works like it should, untill the storage tank goes dry.
the pump must keep running after the tank is dry and building up a lot of pressure.
the pump should loose its prime and kick off after so long, but it builds pressure some way.
lets take the butt and ram out of the picture. this is working just like a shallow well.
well pump is sitting on a 300gal storage tank.well pump sucks water from storage tank and goes over to the pressure tank,
and from there to the house.30 50 switch, works like it should, untill the storage tank goes dry.
the pump must keep running after the tank is dry and building up a lot of pressure.
the pump should loose its prime and kick off after so long, but it builds pressure some way.
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If it doesn't have water it cannot build pressure but it can surely build up heat when running dry.
Those PVC fittings are probably getting soft.
Those PVC fittings are probably getting soft.
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Yes.... you could use the float in the following link.......
Wide Angle Float Switch - Very Reliable! - pump DOWN type
Plumbing supply company /alarm.html
Wide Angle Float Switch - Very Reliable! - pump DOWN type
Plumbing supply company /alarm.html
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well pump float switch
i ordered a sje pumpmaster switch to control my shallow well jet pump to keep it from running when the well runs out of water. the pump is 220 and the switch is rated for 220 but the switch only has two wires and when i hook it up like paper says and test the float it doesnt control the pump(i think it is only taking away 110volts and the pump is still running on the other 110volts but not sure) how am i supposed to wire this thing up? the paper say white wire from switch to hot wire from line and black wire to hot on load side. but there is two hots on both line and load which is reason i think its only cutting it down to 110 volt.
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To eliminate asking questions on your installation... the two threads were merged.
You have a Pumpmaster float switch. It can handle up to a 1HP. motor at 240v.
If you have a 240v motor and you disconnect one of the hot legs.... the motor can not still run normally. If you had a shorted winding it may continue to run but that would be extremely rare and dangerous.
Are you saying... right now.... you can open up one power wire to that Wayne pump and it still runs ?
You have a Pumpmaster float switch. It can handle up to a 1HP. motor at 240v.
If you have a 240v motor and you disconnect one of the hot legs.... the motor can not still run normally. If you had a shorted winding it may continue to run but that would be extremely rare and dangerous.
Are you saying... right now.... you can open up one power wire to that Wayne pump and it still runs ?
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i havent tried just running the pump on 110,but when i hook the float up i am hooking it right to the 30/50 switch (which may not be right?) and i have tested the float with a meter and know it is working, but when i hooked the pump to it i flopped the float over while the pump was running and it didnt shut it off which is why i said it may be just cutting 110 off it instead of the full 220?
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Cutting off one half of the 240v power should stop the pump. Try opening one connection between the pressure switch and the pump to see what happens.
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You have to actually convert the wiring inside the pump. It can't run on dual voltages without changing the wiring.
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Ok... so pulling the plug out is like changing the wiring. During your testing you aren't changing that plug so the pump remains set for 220v.
Have you tried disconnecting one of the leads off the pressure switch yet to see if pump doesn't run ?
Have you tried disconnecting one of the leads off the pressure switch yet to see if pump doesn't run ?
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ok fooled with pump again and when i take one leg of the pump of the pressure switch the pump will not kick on so it isnt running off 110. i hooked the float up 4 different ways and none of them worked either the pump would just keep running like normal when i flipped the float down or it would throw the breaker. when i hooked the white wire from float to the black line from house and the black wire from float to black wire on pump,which according to paper should be right, the pump just contiunes to run.
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i hooked it up to a pigtail with a plug in i had and it had 110 untill i flopped the float down and it had zero so it is working atleast with 110 so it should be with 220 aswell
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It should work just as well with 240v. I have no further ideas. You've proven that the pump needs both legs of the 240vac to operate. You've proven that the switch is working. There aren't any other things to check.
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OK – I’m no expert for sure, I’m the third string lol.
When you say you connected the float
how did you do that? I’m no electrical guy but if the float switch is connected in some way that makes it parallel, then I think it would not stop the pump – I think, lol.
When you say you connected the float
right to the 30/50 switch