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Old 04-13-09, 07:24 PM
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Calling all basement experts !!!!!

I am all ears to any recommendations....

I am currently living on a basement with a severe water quantity problem. My sump pit generates thousands of gallons of water after just about 3/4 inch of rain. My local topography here in Indiana doesn't help, and my yard is full of clay. My main reason for this post is to find out what all exactly could or is terminating into my sump pit, and where does it come from? I am having trouble visualizing the network of drainage from below our basement floor. I would love for someone to explain. Just today I found tree buds in my sump pit!! Could my downspouts actually be dumping into my sump pit???? I have a 1hp wayne 5400 gph sump pump as my primary that disposes into my storm ditch in the front yard. Any ideas of where else i could terminate my pumps?? Any help from you basement water experts out there would be appreciated. I really need help boosting my IQ in this department.
 
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Old 04-14-09, 03:41 AM
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The gutters may not be dumping directly into the pit, but if you don't have the water coming from the downspouts directed at least 4' from the house, it could be causing pressure and seeping through. One key....landscaping. The area directly around your house should slope away from the foundation. Downspouts, as stated, should direct the water away from the foundation so it doesn't have a chance to return. Falling rain around the foundation doesn't present as much a problem as does running or sitting water. Just out of curiosity, could you post a couple of pictures of areas around your foundation (not macro shots) so we can see what is happening at that point? Post them on a site such as photobucket.com and copy/paste the HTML code to your reply post. That way you can share a lot with us and we can possibly offer more than generic advice.
 
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Ditto what chandler said, but tree buds. I would check the sump to see if someone connected an outside drain directly into it.

I have seen the local plumbing inspector use a red dye to flush and watch surrounding wet areas to see if someone's septic is leaking onto another property. Just a thought, but a touch of similar dye in a selected spot outside might identify where the water is or is not coming from.

The footings under your foundation often have drain lines that try to carry the water somewhere. Perhaps they are headed to that same ditch and serving as the source of water that is flowing back into the sump. ie you are pumping in a loop.

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Walk around the house, look for hairline cracks in the foundation. They ususally continue to the footing. Do you have a high water table?
 
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Originally Posted by dbhazel0221 View Post
I am having trouble visualizing the network of drainage from below our basement floor...
Simplest case is when an interior or exterior perimeter foundation drain system is the only discharge into the sump:



There could also be floor drains connected to the sump (allowed) or gray water sources such as laundry tubs or washer standpipes (not allowed most places).

If you see something like this:



the downspout is likely discharging into a foundation drain system or a municipal system by design.

If you see something like this:



all bets are off - the downspout may eventually be connected to a foundation drain or municipal system, or it could just be discharging under the slab or deeper into the back fill along the foundation wall.

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Originally Posted by Bud9051 View Post

The footings under your foundation often have drain lines that try to carry the water somewhere.
My rain gutter lines are buried under my house. I'm positive they are clogged and maybe even broken and putting water under my house. So unless you know 'for sure' where your spouts drain, you just never know

(i have pipes that literally run into the ground all around the house and someone in the crawlspace told me that those pipes are not in the crawlspace)
 
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This is all great stuff....I am going to post pics ASAP. The water table is very high here, often higher than floor of the basement. I have seen some bubbling near the footers, from cracks where the floor meets the foundation.

It interests me about pumping in a loop. Several hours after the rain soaks in, my discharge into the sump pit is still steady and sometimes increases. Several downspouts are terminating into the ground to an unknown location. I am unable to track them, but fear they are making their way into the basement somehow.

The tree buds in the pit are definately a major concern.

Thank you all so much for your attention to my dilemma. I will have photos up this evening.

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Could we get a few wide shots that situate the structure in the context of the lot and the properties to the sides/front/rear?
 
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This is all I have for now. I will do a better wide angle tomorrow afternoon when it is daylight.

The Lot Slopes from left to right in this photo. And also from back to front.

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