cold radiators / low pressure


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Old 01-29-07, 01:23 PM
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Unhappy cold radiators / low pressure

I have a 2001 Weil-McLain CGi gas boiler. It was serviced 2 years ago because the radiators all went cold.. no heat at all.
When the service tech went to fill the boiler the cold water pipe that leads to the auto-fill (bell shaped housing) was completly clogged with rust and black junk... so the tech ran a hose and filled it through the drain tube instead... The pipe was not repaired and now 2 of the upstairs bedrooms in my home have no heat... So I bleed the radiators and quite a bit of air came out but never got water out. The psi guage reads a whopping 2 when boiler is hot or cold. So... I went back upstairs and tryed to bleed more air out of radiators but instead the darn radiators started to suck air IN.. How do I add water to the radiators and will that bring up the psi to 12 or whatever it should be? Can I add water to the individual radiators that are cold? Heaven help us.. I can't afford to have a service tech come out right now...
 
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Old 01-29-07, 02:31 PM
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Low Pressure

The quickest & easiest way to add water would be the same way the service tech did the last time.

Run a garden hose from a convenient faucet to the drain at the bottom of the boiler & make the connection with a short length of clothes washer hose (one that has a female compression connection on each side).

Run some water from the hose into a bucket to remove the air, then make your connection to the boiler & open the drain & slowly bring the boiler up to 15 psi & close the boiler drain.

You will have to bleed the radiators of any additional air; if there's nothing else wrong with the system, it should work.

A service tech should be called as soon as possible to correct the problem with the clogged pressure reducing valve; there is an entry point at the bottom of the valve that contains a small screen, designed to catch the crud in the water supply; the water supply should be shut off & the screen completely cleaned.
 
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Old 01-29-07, 03:07 PM
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Smile Jack wish me luck...

Thank you Jack... I sure hope this works... the upstairs is freezing cold....I will get right on this... turning the thermostat all the way down should be all I have to do to keep the boiler from switch on while adding the water correct? Will the psi go up right away while I add the water?
Should I bleed the radiators before turning the boiler on again? Or do I bleed them while it is running?
Just curious but is it possible to add water to the radiator? I know it would take forever through that tiny hole... but it sucks air in why not water? It may seem like a silly question but would it work?
 

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Low Pressure

It's best to shut off the electric safety switch at the boiler rather than simply turn down the T-stat; it follows that the procedure should be done with the boiler off.

It's possible to add water to the upper floor radiators; it will take longer, probably messier, & you may not get in enough water if the radiator fills up quickly.

If you want to try it this way, remove the entire bleed valve with a wrench or pliers & jamb a 3/8" piece of plastic hose (Home Depot/Lowe's) in the hole & attach a small funnel so it will be easier to add the water.

Remove the funnel & re-install the bleed valve when done.

The psi needle on the boiler gauge should register the rise right away; you should have 15 psi to 18 psi when you're done if you have a 2-story house to make sure the system water can get up to the 2nd floor radiators.
 

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Old 01-30-07, 07:06 AM
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Thank you so very much Jack... You have no idea how much I appreciate all your help with this...
Radiators are now nice and toasty :-) ... One problem that did accure however is the Temp.&PSI
gauge has water inside it under the glass... There is about a quarter inch of water in the bottom of the gauge... It is hard to read because of the condensation now in the gauge... but I am able to see that the Temp. needle rises to 175ish when hot... and the PSI needle sits at 15 with very minumal fluctuation while running or off... what did I do that made the water go into this gauge??
Will the gauge continue to work? Thanks again for sharing your desperately needed knowledge and time...
 
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Low Pressure:Leaks

The main problem is that the boiler's slowly losing water, probably because of a leak somewhere.

This is why I advised having the pressure reducing valve changed as soon as possible; the reducing valve acts as a safety device that will automatically add water to prevent problems.

What may have happened is that the boiler fired when the water level was very low & some steam was produced which compromised the seal in the gauge or elsewhere.

The boiler needs immediate attention; check for any leaking water from anywhere around or under the boiler; if the gauge continues to leak, it will have to be replaced (low cost item);.

There may also be a leak somewhere in the piping distribution system (inside a wall, for example); see if you can detect any moisture coming from this source.

If there IS a slow leak, the boiler will continue to loose water & serious damage will result if it fires on low water or without any water in it.

Get a service tech in there; explain your situation & see if he/she will accept partial payment & time installments.

Sometimes local community service agencies have financial help available for such an emergency.
 
 

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