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New boiler and controls installed as follows:
Solaia boiler Mod SL5125 with Honeywell L7248L aquastat
4 heating zones and one hot water tank zone
StorMore 40 gal tank set at 125 degrees
Taco zone valve 9300-1044
Taco PC 700-2 Boiler reset
1070 Honeywell wireless controls x3 Honeywell hard wired:
Baseboard radiators
Settings on Boiler reset as follows:
Boiler start:80
Outdoor start: 70
Boiler design (as per manufacturer) 130
Outdoor design: 0 (I live in Connecticut)
Boiler minimum: 80
Differential: Auto
WWSD: 68
Honeywell boiler control Settings:
HIGH LIMIT: 180
tt Local Thermostat Status: off
ttE Envirocom Thermostat status: off
ELL External Low limit: OFF
duu ZR configured as domestic hot water request: off
bSP Boiler setpoint: 180
dhc DWH Module connected: no
One zone to unused bedrooms kept at 55 when not in use. When needed it takes 5-7 hours to heat these rooms and this seems long.
Regardless of outdoor temp, furnace starts every 4-5 min and cycles from 160-180 then off 5-10 minutes depending on how many zones are calling for heat and then recycles.
When hot water temp drops from use, boiler goes on even though the boiler temp is 160 or above.
I do not think these settings are optimizing my fuel usage and would like your input. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.
Should burner go on when hot water tank falls below 125 degrees even if boiler water temp is between 160-188?
Solaia boiler Mod SL5125 with Honeywell L7248L aquastat
4 heating zones and one hot water tank zone
StorMore 40 gal tank set at 125 degrees
Taco zone valve 9300-1044
Taco PC 700-2 Boiler reset
1070 Honeywell wireless controls x3 Honeywell hard wired:
Baseboard radiators
Settings on Boiler reset as follows:
Boiler start:80
Outdoor start: 70
Boiler design (as per manufacturer) 130
Outdoor design: 0 (I live in Connecticut)
Boiler minimum: 80
Differential: Auto
WWSD: 68
Honeywell boiler control Settings:
HIGH LIMIT: 180
tt Local Thermostat Status: off
ttE Envirocom Thermostat status: off
ELL External Low limit: OFF
duu ZR configured as domestic hot water request: off
bSP Boiler setpoint: 180
dhc DWH Module connected: no
One zone to unused bedrooms kept at 55 when not in use. When needed it takes 5-7 hours to heat these rooms and this seems long.
Regardless of outdoor temp, furnace starts every 4-5 min and cycles from 160-180 then off 5-10 minutes depending on how many zones are calling for heat and then recycles.
When hot water temp drops from use, boiler goes on even though the boiler temp is 160 or above.
I do not think these settings are optimizing my fuel usage and would like your input. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.
Should burner go on when hot water tank falls below 125 degrees even if boiler water temp is between 160-188?
Last edited by NJT; 12-22-10 at 03:39 PM.
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teezee, there is nothing wrong with hitting the RETURN key every now and then to make a post more 'readable'. I heavily edited your post to add the missing 'white space' ... I couldn't make any sense of it until I did that.
What is this? a 'part number' of a Taco ZVC panel? If so, what is the MODEL NUMBER of the panel?
I haven't looked at the settings for the 7248 in a while... what does this mean?
Is this just saying that at the time you looked at it, there was no call for heat and the TT terminals were 'open' ?
What do you have wired to the T T terminals of the 7248 ?
Taco zone valve 9300-1044
tt Local Thermostat Status: off
Is this just saying that at the time you looked at it, there was no call for heat and the TT terminals were 'open' ?
What do you have wired to the T T terminals of the 7248 ?
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what is this? A 'part number' of a taco zvc panel? If so, what is the model number of the panel?
I haven't looked at the settings for the 7248 in a while... What does this mean?
Is this just saying that at the time you looked at it, there was no call for heat and the tt terminals were 'open' ?
Is this just saying that at the time you looked at it, there was no call for heat and the tt terminals were 'open' ?
what do you have wired to the t t terminals of the 7248 ?
Last edited by NJT; 12-23-10 at 12:44 PM.
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Boiler minimum: 80
First, from the PC700 instruction sheet:
Boiler Minimum Supply Temperature (BOIL MIN)
Most boilers require a minimum operating temperature to prevent corrosion from flue gas condensation. The minimum boiler setting should be programmed to the lowest supply water temperature at which the boiler can operate without causing the boiler flue gases to condense. Consult the boiler manufacturer for recommended minimum boiler supply temperatures. Some typical settings are as follows:
• Cast iron boiler ….................. 135 to 160°F (57 to 71°C)
Most boilers require a minimum operating temperature to prevent corrosion from flue gas condensation. The minimum boiler setting should be programmed to the lowest supply water temperature at which the boiler can operate without causing the boiler flue gases to condense. Consult the boiler manufacturer for recommended minimum boiler supply temperatures. Some typical settings are as follows:
• Cast iron boiler ….................. 135 to 160°F (57 to 71°C)
The Solaia boiler is a highly efficient low mass boiler in which care must be taken to ensure that high volumes of low temperature water are not introduced into the boiler. Operating at return water temperatures below 130ºF for extended periods of time will allow for the accumulation of condensation, scale and increased soot formation in the boiler. Corrosion and eventual heat exchanger failure will result.
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You want to set BOIL MIN for 130F. Maybe 120 but see how it goes at 130 for a week or two. For oil-fired boilers, condensation becomes an issue for return water temperatures below about 115F. You want to avoid that.
You should also consider adding a bypass or a thermostatic mixing valve to keep the boiler return temp above condensing, but also allow lower water temperatures in the distribution system. Options for that approach are described here:
Bypass_Piping_Explaination
If you do a bypass, then the BOIL MIN can be lowered.
You should also consider adding a bypass or a thermostatic mixing valve to keep the boiler return temp above condensing, but also allow lower water temperatures in the distribution system. Options for that approach are described here:
Bypass_Piping_Explaination
If you do a bypass, then the BOIL MIN can be lowered.
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Wireless thermostats are connected to the ZVC panel and then out of the ZVC to the 7248 along with the hard wired thermostat which are all connected to the tt terminal on the 7248.
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What you are saying sounds as if you have the ZVC AND a thermostat connected to T T on the 7248... why?
You called them?
Must understand that the 120 setting is the SUPPLY temp, and the RETURN water will typically be at least 20 degrees colder than that, meaning that your return water will range as low as 100 with a 120 supply.
Where is the bypass located in the piping... BOILER bypass? or SYSTEM bypass?
Solaia says 120 is OK, .... hmmmmm... I don't know about that. but, it's your boiler!
120 which Solaia says is OK
Must understand that the 120 setting is the SUPPLY temp, and the RETURN water will typically be at least 20 degrees colder than that, meaning that your return water will range as low as 100 with a 120 supply.
Where is the bypass located in the piping... BOILER bypass? or SYSTEM bypass?
Solaia says 120 is OK, .... hmmmmm... I don't know about that. but, it's your boiler!
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Boiler temp never falls below 160 before burner is turned on to reach 180 and then shuts off. Bypass is from supply side near boiler to return from all zones. It is located beyond circulator pump which is on supply side. Really have no way of measuring the return temp as it goes into the boiler.
All 4 thermostats go through the zone panel and then to tt.
Wiring as on: Instruction Sheet for Taco PC700-2 Boiler Reset Control (pdf)
Application Guide for Taco PC700 Outdoor Boiler Reset Control (pdf) from Taco controls site.
All 4 thermostats go through the zone panel and then to tt.
Wiring as on: Instruction Sheet for Taco PC700-2 Boiler Reset Control (pdf)
Application Guide for Taco PC700 Outdoor Boiler Reset Control (pdf) from Taco controls site.