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Good Day All !

I hope someone can shed some light on something for me. My wife an I are looking into buying a turn of the century Brick house to fix up as possible a B&B. The price is right and it is 100% origional on the top 3 stories. The one issue with it is that in various places on its exterior the brick is concave ( for instance the back of the house ) and in others there are places where there is mortar missing and maybe 10 rows of bricks have pretty much cantered so that they are jutting out 1/4 - 1/2 inches in places .. Im not talking a singe brick jutting out. More like a sheet of bricks that is either indented , or protruding. So my question is ... Is it possible to true the brichs up so they have a uniform surface. I thought I saw some years bac that people used plates of sorts to bolt through brickwork and true them up but I dont want the house falling down like a house of cards LOL.

Thank you all very much in advance!

Brandon

P.S. In my opinion ( VERY uneducated when it comes to brickwork ) that this was done a number of years ago when the house was raised to put a new foundation under it thats in very good condition with very few tiny spider cracks in it. All of the windows and doorways seem to be true and square and the house seems to be sitting level.
 
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First, make sure you have your potential home inspected by a certified home inspector to cover all of the general operational and safety items. This is called a "pre-purchase" home inspection.

You are concerned about the brick. The repair will depend on whether the home is a solid masonry home or a just a brick veneer. Without knowing what type of construction you have, it is impossible to tell you what to expect. It may be someting as simple a tuck pointing the joints and re-setting some brick. Your home inspector could tell you what kind of construction you have.

Since a home inspection is a general inspection covering all aspects of the home, areas of strong specific concern are best handled by a specialist (roofer, mason, heating, etc.) that is more qualified is a single area. Your home inspector could refer you to an engineer for consulting on the brick work. A home inspector is not allowed to do work as a contractor or refer a specific contractor, but he may have a list of reputable mason contractors in your area.

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Hey Dick,

Yes I was planning on getting a home inspection on this property. It has been partially reno'd .. New wiring top to bottom, new plumbing and fixtures, nwe hi eff FA/NG and Hot water heater. My main concern is the brick. I do believe looking at it thats its not veneer. I believe its a full exterior brick house ( Im currently in a brick veneer house ). The roof has not been redone and is the orig Scallloped tin. This house is a steal at the price ( seeing that its a bank repo, and the bank is doing the renos ) but I dont want the price to double if the brick work is irreversible !

are there any sites out there that touch on this subject ? Im jsut concerned that I may have to rip out all of the origional lath and plaser walls that are in pristeen condition to fix the outside walls.

Cheers - Brandon
 
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You said it yourself -

You need a local expert to look at it before you invest!!!

A site can only go so far when it comes to conditions. You will be fortunate if you find out it is actually all masonry and not a veneer over wood.

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Ok why whould I be fortunate if it was brick and not veneer ? I thought it would be better if it wasnt structural ... instead of cosmetic.

Thank you again for your reply Dick

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See next post.

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If it is just brick veneer, it would be "hanging" or attached to an older flexible wood structure. You could end up replacing a great deal of the brick if it was not attached properly.

If you have a real masonry wall you have something to work with that has continuity, permanence and strength. The brick could be replaced as necessary or just tuck pointed. It could be good for two or three hundred more years.

You will need a local person familiar with local materials and construction to look at it.

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You do not need a local person to even look at it. Run away at full speed.
 
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If you like the house and it is a 100 year old original 3 story home that is square and level on a good foundation with new wiring, plumbing and furnace it is a small, but good investment to find out what kind of problems there may be.

With a report from a qualified professional, you may get the bank that repro'd the house to adjust the price. The bank does not want to own homes and appreciates quality buyers and it may be an aid in financing. They do not want to take it back again.

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If you you do decide to pursue it, please utilize an inspector with a Brick Industry Association certification. The possible problems are not simple to diagnose, and are most likely not simple or cheap to remediate.
 
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Yes this is my concern also .. the house IS priced about 45% below fair market everything seems quite sound ( barring a home inspection ) its just the brick on the ourside that concerns me . I did soem research on Tuck pointing and I dont know if this is for what I need ... my research revealed that tuck pointing is the replacment of the actual mortar .. unless it means something different in your area Dick. I think to better understand what Im talking about Ill need to take a pic or 2 and repost. As a brief explanation if you look along the face of the wall you can see the odd row of crick actuall protruding abuot 1/4 to 1/2 an inch in places from the wall .. jutting out .. maybe 20 - 25 bricks in a row in a couple of places. As I said I beleive this was done when it was jacked to put a new, sounder foundation, under the 100 year old house. Does this make more sence ?

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I can think of 3 reasons for that without seeing the structure, and and none of them are good. Take some pictures, and if possible determine if it is a veneered brick (1 thickness of brick), or a structural masonry building (walls will probably be more than 8" thick, most likely 12 or 16" at the base").
 
 

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