I just called a guy to come give an estimate on removing about a 4 foot wide section of concrete in our patio, and another 2 food wide area on the other side of the patio. Not requiring him to cut straight, we just want a natural edge. The cement is about 5 inches thick. We just want to get to the dirt so we can have a little garden. He quoted us 500 for break down and removal of the concrete, do you guys think this is a fair price or should I look elsewhere? Also, how hard would it be to do this myself? He says there are metal bars holding the concrete in place which he has to cut... I didn't see any though, but will find out once/if he starts the job. Attached picture so you get an idea of what the space is like. I'd be removing just up to the green plan on the left from the back. [ATTACH]18098[/ATTACH]

Hard to find the right forum for this question, so here is where I wound up. I have an in ground pool which has a leak somewhere either in the liner or an area where the liner was cut in, like where the stairs, drain and/or skimmers are located. I live in the midwest and am closing the pool for the winter. My fear is that if the pool should totally drain due to the leak being near the bottom, should I be concerned that the pool might cave in? The pool is about 14 years old and goes from shallow to about 8 feet deep. I believe that a new liner will have to be installed in the Spring of 2014, so it could be empty for up to 6 months.