Stoop repair

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Old 03-27-16, 04:54 PM
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Stoop repair

I haven't been to the job site yet but here is a pic of a stoop that needs to be repaired. For some reason, the home owners had the top section redone but not the bottom. It's a 10 step stoop that is typically found in Brooklyn & Queens, NY.

Since I don't do any carting, can anyone estimate how much broken concrete will need to be carted when I'm done chopping what's loose?

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Old 03-27-16, 04:59 PM
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Not sure about the waste, but what is the measurement of the first step. It appears to be a little low. If it is, you may can pin all the treads and make a pour over each one and let the last one extend to the raised concrete slab behind it all. Then finish the faces where they are cracked.

Do you intend to remove all the steps? Grinding, banging, etc??
 
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Do you intend to remove all the steps? Grinding, banging, etc??
Not at all. If that's what it needs, I won't take the job. I wanted to remove whatever is loose not entire steps. However, I have a feeling that as soon as I start to chop, I'm going to open a can of worms. That's what I want to avoid. Do you see a can of worms there?
 
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Definitely. Even if you piece it out, you stand a chance of it becoming choppy once the concrete shrinks in your patches.
 
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Somethings really wrong under those steps and side walls that caused it to settle that much and crack down the middle.
 
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Somethings really wrong under those steps and side walls that caused it to settle that much and crack down the middle
The owners are 90 years old. I'm a friend of their daughter who wants them to sell & move to her house. A complete rebuild is out of the question. I thought that I might be able patch it but if I have to chop out major pieces, I'll have to refuse the job.
 
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Old 03-28-16, 11:28 AM
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Without seeing a few more close-up pix, for verification, I'd say the steps are suffering from a bad case of insufficient concrete cover over the rebar. Combined with healthy dosages of de-icing salts applied during the winter, it's a sure recipe for failure. And one that most skim patches of any kind aren't likely to properly correct.
 
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Bridgeman, assuming that it's what you think it is, how long would some patches last? Keep in mind the owners are in their 90s.

Also, my original question which was, if I chop out what's loose, how much will need to be carted?
 
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I looked at the stoop. The risers & the treads are about 2 1/2" thick on top of dirt. Nothing sunk, it's all level. The owners want to sell so they just want to patch it. I normally use a Type S mortar mix with a bonding agent. Any suggestions?
 
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Old 04-03-16, 03:11 PM
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I'm not very current on the latest/greatest in mortar repair additives, as it's been years since I've been active in concrete repair/rehabilitation. Stadry would be one to give better suggestions, although he's been somewhat scarce around here lately.

You can be sure of one thing, though, as deep as those cracks are--they will reflect through and be visible in whatever mortar you use for patching. And probably in just a few months of service.

Better hope for a quick sale.
 
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Better hope for a quick sale.
That house can be sold in a flash. One of the neighbors already expressed interest. The Asians aren't worried about the price & will pay as much as $500,000. The problem is that when old timers have been in the same place for 50 years, they just don't want to move.

I was looking for Stadry too.

Quick story: A house not far from there in Flushing which I call Flu Shing now that it's all Asian, had oil heat. The owners switched to gas heat but never capped the filler tube. An oil delivery man made a mistake & pumped 15 gallons into the cellar. Of course, he left a bill for the 15 gallons in the mailbox. They had to move immediately. They were going to sue the oil company but some Koreans offered them $650,000 for the house as is. There was no need for a law suit after that. Case closed.
 
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