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I just wanted to tell everyone here I just bought a upgrade from Windows98 SE. What I am about to tell you may shock some of you but. After using Windows 2000 Profesional edition, I have figured out that its the best OS you could own. Sure there is Windows XP. But, if anyone knows anything about OS's, then you know that Windows XP is not much different from Windows98. Sure it may be alittle eaiser for a novice to use, and the gui interface has completly changed. But think about it people who were used to Win95 Win98 and Win2000 all were used to the the same GUI interface and they get confused with WinXP, and its supposed to be more user friendly. LOL. And yes even though you can change the OS to look like Win98, still WinXP is a hackers heaven! Everytime I turn around I hure about WinXP Getting hacked here and there, and Virusis coming from here and there.

Just using Windows 2000 for only two days I have already fallen in love with the software. Its more reliable, you will notice a considerable speed difference if you switch to win2k! Also games seem to be sharper now and seem to also have more color! If you plan to setup a home network or buisness network than this is the best OS for that too. I will be starting a home network soon and this computer I am working off of now will become the server. Internet access, the whole works. The only thing I am short on right now is advanced networking knoledge. LOL But I will gain that as time goes on. With this added security built into Win2k, I will not have to worry about someone getting into mistuf on this computer, because you can restriked normal users access. I am so glad I listen to that computer technician who taught me alot. He has taught me alot and the one thing he would tell me at least 10 times a year is, "Go out there and buy WIN2K" LOL

When I was running Windows98 SE, after having 4 mini programs loading through startup it would take me appreximitely 1 to 1 min.30seconds to load Windows along with thos progs. Now with Win2k, it only takes 30 to 40 seconds to load the OS along with Programs. If anbody has any questions for me regarding any other software that you want to here a review from in order for you to pick the software you want please feel free to post your question here in this thread!
 
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Terminator is a little mixed up and presenting some inaccurate information.

Windows 2000 is based on on Windows NT 4.0, a business oriented operating system. In fact, it was actually supposed to be called Windows NT 5.0, but Microsoft decided to use the name 2000 instead.

Windows 2000 will not run many of the graphics intensive games that Windows 98 and the other Windows home operating systems can run. This is because the code base used was written for business applications and not for gaming.

Windows XP, on the other hand, is not based on Windows NT code or Windows 9x code. Windows XP was written from the ground up to provide all the necessary gaming support AND all the necessary business application support for surrent applications.

It is true that many older devices may not work properly under Windows XP, and if you want to use your old scanner or older USB hub then you may have trouble. However, many manufacturers have now provided drivers for older hardware, and all newer hardware runs properly under Windows XP.

Windows XP also has a compatibility mode. If you are intimidated by the look of Windows XP you can make it look like earlier versions of Windows. It is referred to as Windows Classic look.

The right Windows operating system for each person depends on what he or she intends to do with the computer.
 
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Old 10-28-03, 06:26 AM
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Ditto what racraft said.
 
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windows 2000

Yes I agree with you I think windows 2000 would be great even thou I've never had it..It will be supported by microsoft till 2007
 
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Old 10-29-03, 06:08 PM
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You will never catch me running WindowsXP on my home computer. I needed something reliable, dependable more improved all around operating system. That other guy mentioned something about the code that win2k uses that makes it difficult to run games. Well guess what. I have run Doom, GTA, and few other games and they run better than before. Also I have
direct X 9 on this computer and am using a suround sound system. And win2000 has had no problem with video, audio, or direct X Installations. Further more I downloaded every single update for Win2k and now the former win2k is now a future win2k! LOL. Anyway very happy with it. I really love the security features of this OS. Also a piece of advice to anyone that want to buy a Windows2000. Do not by a upgrade cd or use the upgrade selection in the installation menu. I tried that in a day after I was having a ton of problems. Instead use the clean install option. Or buy clean install OS, depending on which win2k cd you buy. Mine has both on one cd. I remember Win98 had two seperate cd's including Win98 SE.
 
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Old 10-29-03, 07:03 PM
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But, if anyone knows anything about OS's, then you know that Windows XP is not much different from Windows98
Huh? Get real. It's way different. I run win 98se, win2000, including 2000 advance server, and win xp. MY personal computer runs win2k only because i don't need all the extras(bloatware) of xp, but my other computer(more multimedia) just loves xp, and xp is much more effective than w2k would be.

I really love the security features of this OS.
Thats great. You would really like the features of xp(yes, they are better)

After using Windows 2000 Professional edition, I have figured out that its the best OS you could own.
and what other OS's have you used? Linux,UNIX,lindows,BeOS, what?

still WinXP is a hackers heaven! Every time I turn around I hure about WinXP Getting hacked here and there, and Virusis coming from here and there.
It's the newest OS, so of course you'll hear more about it.Not many(if at all) that affect xp WONT affect 2k.In other words, if it affects xp, it will affect w2k. Did you know that you can even use alot of drivers for w2k in xp? Wow, i bet they are pretty similar.

you will notice a considerable speed difference if you switch to win2k!
Actually, if you take a modern computer like mine(2.6 ghz(800mhz fsb) w/512 meg mem(333 mhz) and ata133 w/ati radeon 8500) and put windows 95 on it, you will see fast. I imagine win 3.1 would really scream too. If your puter is slow with 98, it will be slow with w2k. if yours speeded up, it's probably cause you got rid of alot of crap when you reformatted.
I could go on and on, but i wont. Suffice it to say, yes, w2k is a good OS, but so is xp. Just my 2
 

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Hey terminator - did you buy the upgrade package or the full install package (which is about $100 more)?

I like XP Pro. Its GUI does take some getting used to.
I run win98 on my old rebuilt system and its still working well.
 
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You can buy an upgrade package and still do a clean install. To do this the installation requires that you provide proof of an earlier version of Windows.

If you leave you old version of Windows installed (not usually a good idea) then it is happy.

If you wipe your old installation away and reformat your hard disk then the installation program will require you to insert the CD or floppy from the earlier version and it will verify that it is legit.
 
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Thanks, Bob.

I'm slowly coming to the realization I'll need to upgrade from win98 and now is a good time to do it. I plan on adding a new hard drive before the old one dies (over 5 yo) and to have space for digital/video processing and utilize the faster file system. And some new software I'd like to use does not support win98. Then, I'd soon like to do a wireless connection with our new computer and I've heard its so much easier with w2k and xp.

I do plan on doing a clean install on the new drive. When the upgrade package ask for the old disk, will the installation disk from Gateway be sufficient?
 
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I just did some poking around on the the Microsoft site. I recommend that anyone planning on upgrading do this.

The site will tell you what the hardware requirements are for Windows 2000 and for Windows XP. It will also help you decide if you need Windows XP Pro or if the Home version is okay for you.

Most importantly, it will tell you what versions of Windows qualify for an upgrade and which do not.

Of particlar interest is Windows 2000. To upgrade to Windows 2000 you need to have Windows NT (3.51 or 4.0). You cannot upgrade from Windows 98 to Windows 2000, it is not allowed.

Upgrading to Windows XP (home or Pro) from WIndows 98 or Windows 98 SE is allowed.

You cannot upgrade from Windows 95 to anything.

Note that by upgrade I mean using an upgrade package. You can always buy the full installation and start from scratch.

Make sure if you plan to upgrade that your existing OS is eligible to upgrade to the OS you want.

BobF, your gateway CD should have the necessary files to allow the upgrade. If for some reason you run into trouble you could always call Microsoft for support.
 
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I was digging last night

and again today. On just the MS sites, I found one page that said you could upgrade to w2k PRO from win98. Then I found another page that was as you described. Then I found "issues" (upgrade errors). Things like compressed files (and more) can create a problem.

I did read where the "upgrade" will fail if win98 is in the boot sector. Then you need to run winnt32.exe (which may also have problems).

Bottom line - you can upgrade until you run into problems.


Bob - I pm'ed you.
 
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You guys have a lot of really good information and I find much of what you guys are saying to be interesting. To answer many of your questions. I reformated my hard disk and did a clean install of Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 (build 2195)

This version installs using 4 floppy disks and 1 cd. The floppy disks are used to boot up your computer and load up the Win2k setup program. It takes a while to load since you have to interchange through 4 floppy disks before you can start installing with the cd. Basically the total setup time on a fast computer is 30 minutes. minus reformat time

To anyone who is wondering about how good the system really is that Win2k has been installed on, info is bellow. First let me say I built this computer myself so as I could install what I wanted in the computer case!!!

Intel P4 2GHZ CPU with 533 FSB. 1GIG RAM. 80GIG HD.
ATI RADEON 7000 with 64MB RAM. 17inch CRT display.
4 2.0 USB Ports, extended to 6 more via USB Hub.
I spent only 700 dollars cause I had other stuff.

If I did not build my computer myself, I would have ended up with a. P4 1.8GHZ CPU. 256MB RAM. 60GIG HD. Standard Graphics Accelerator. 18inch CRT OR LCD. 2 2.0 USB Ports. I would have spent 1500.
 
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floppies?

You used floppies? So, you got this from work or a buddy?
I didn't think ANY software came on floppies.
 
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You create the boot floppies using the cd before you format the hard drive. There will be a area on the cd that says :MakeBoot" That program on the cd will create 4 floppies. And I guess I did not make myself clear. The installer is not on the floppies. The floppies are only used to boot your computer up and prepare your computer for the setup installer on the cd. Basically once system is loaded up, using floppies the program than gives you the option to format the hard drive if you want to do a clean install. I chose to do that, after format, the program than starts up the cd. See you got to understand, the reason for the floppies are to not only startup your computer but they also open a few drivers to allow you to use your cdrom for the setup, without the floppies you are not going to install Win2k. But remember if you buy this version of windows2k stated in last post, you must make the floppies first. Once thats done you put the first disk in the drive and reboot your computer. This version of Windows was not given to me. This is actually a tech service disk. Meaning it is licensed for many computers. I do computer work so thats the deal. But I don't think that really matters anyone can get this version of Win2k, the only difference is that i have many licenses for it instead of one home use license.

If you want to do a upgrade using the cd you can do that withought the floppies. However I do not recommend a upgrade. I tried that and had many many crashes and errors coming up. Of course I converted the fat32 to a NTFS file system because it more reliable than FAT32. However if you upgrade to Win2k than obviously it is not. But if you do a clean install using method obove which is the only method you can have a clean install using the NTFS file system and have no problems. Take it from me I am running it and I have had no problems. Infact the computer is running more stable than when I had Win98 SE!!! With that OS, I was getting many OE errors and the explorer created invlaid page faults. I would run notron disk doctore and windows built scandisk and came up with no problems. Ran norton anti virus and came up with no viruses. So I concluded that Win98 SE was only good for certain things and could handle the stuff states below.

Games
Surfing internet
Email
Watching movies
Photo manipulation and scanning
Movie edditing
Running home network

Some people think Win98 the best on the block for doing all these things, but I don't think so from experiance!
 
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you can go here to learn about installing win2k:
http://www.dewassoc.com/support/win2...allwin2000.htm

You can upgrade from win95,98,98se,nt4. You can either upgrade, or clean install, either from the floppies or the cd(if the puter will boot from cd) or over a network. You can format and install off the cd.
 
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See you got to understand, the reason for the floppies are to not only startup your computer but they also open a few drivers to allow you to use your cdrom for the setup, without the floppies you are not going to install Win2k. But remember if you buy this version of windows2k stated in last post, you must make the floppies first.
As tae mentioned, with a computer that will boot from CD (you may have to change CMOS to boot from CD before HDD), you can run install from the CD.

However I do not recommend a upgrade. I tried that and had many many crashes and errors coming up.
Never had any upgrade issues with WinXP Pro (haven't tried Home.) I've upgraded it from WinME and Win2K with no issues whatsoever (other than hardware updates, etc.)

However if you upgrade to Win2k than obviously it is not. But if you do a clean install using method obove which is the only method you can have a clean install using the NTFS file system and have no problems.
XP allows you to upgrade to NTFS during install/after install - again, no issues.


Infact the computer is running more stable than when I had Win98 SE!!! With that OS, I was getting many OE errors and the explorer created invlaid page faults. So I concluded that Win98 SE was only good for certain things...
That pretty much goes without saying for any newer OS (with the exception of WinME.)

Some people think Win98 the best on the block for doing all these things, but I don't think so from experiance!
They obviously don't use it (or, at least, haven't used anything newer.)
 
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I believe the floppies Term20 is talking about are the Emergency Startup Disks. These are created by the OS to allow reboot in case of OS failure. They get you to that wonderful "Safe Mode" with minimal drivers and just enough support to salvage the bad day. He may also be confusing the issue with the old WIN 9X boot disks that came with new installs of the 9X OS's. Once again just enough to get the system running with drivers, on a blank HD, to install the OS.

I have WIN2K and it is sweet compared to 9X. But, I would switch over to XP in a heartbeat because it is the best on the block. Everyone has a favorite ... hell I loved DOS and refused to go to WIN 3.1 ... but newer is almost always better from Microsoft. Wellllllllll, let me say its better as long as you wait 6+ months before you upgrade! Consumer beta testing still runs amuck at Micorsoft.


Just my thoughts

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good thoughts I agree with most of what you said
 
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