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Old 09-20-15, 03:38 PM
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Finally got fed up with my speeds and found that AVAST which I'd been using for a while was slowing my PC down to a crawl. Even turning off most of the protections didn't help.

Tried to install AVG (which I used before) but keep getting some error.

On an old machine running XP right now due to the other machine dying, and most don't support it anymore.

Tried MSSE but also no support.

Anyone still using XP with a good AV program?

For now I'm limited to my known good sites and no internet searches.
 
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Anyone still using XP with a good AV program?
I still use XP but I don't use an AV program. I don't like AV programs, for the reasons that you mentioned & as I've said it many times before, I think that they are worthless. If a virus is released today, it could be a week or more before the AV company updates their .dat files, with the virus signature. That leaves their customers at risk during that time.

Instead, I do two things. I run no script in Firefox & I lock my registry with MJ Registry Watcher from:

Mark Jacobs' Evolution Philosophy WAVs OGGs MP3s FLPs MIDIs Music CDs
 
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Old 09-20-15, 04:44 PM
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I never had any slowdowns with MSSE, but since they no longer support it I can't use that anymore.
 
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What's wrong with the programs that I mentioned? One blocks the executables & the other blocks scripts.
 
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I still have an XP in my desktop but I don't use any AV programs. So far it was still fast and doing fine. As long as you are entering with a trusted site and flash disks that are clean then there is nothing to worry about. Like Pulpo said, just lock your registry and run no script to prevent any spybots or malicious threat from your PC.
 
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Old 09-20-15, 10:29 PM
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No offense Pulpo...but Mark Jacobs appears to be a loon (maybe not), and your link didn't help much, just the main page. I'm trying to avoid unknown sites where I have to search and click links.

F it....I'm buying a new PC.
 
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Old 09-20-15, 11:30 PM
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Interesting site..... Mark Jacobs. Humor with a UK touch.
 
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Vic I think you are making a wise choice too and no offense meant Pulpo but in my world locking down the registry just will not work. I might need a safe program to download or something else how am I to know when to unlock it and when to keep it locked. That is the problem with an old Microsoft OS there is nothing really out there to really guide you so if you use the internet it becomes worthless. Windows XP's list of viable and good antivirus just keeps shrinking every day since support is gone from Microsoft.
 
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Old 09-21-15, 04:37 AM
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It all depends on how you plan to use the computer. For general purposes, you better have some kind of AV. If all you do is forum reading or word processing no need to worry about AV. If you explore and try new things you will have to have an AV (or you won't exploring for long). I tried all those free AV's and even some paid ones. Now days whatever MS offers as it's protection is fine, AND a restore point and backup.
 
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Gunguy, that's the link, to the program & yes, he is a bit of a loon. LOL

Hedgeclippers & anyone who still uses XP, Don't forget that the operating system itself is no longer safe. Services & applications can be attacked using "client side attacks". Metasploit is a popular hacking program that preforms such attacks. The first time that I ran it against my XP box, I had a shell, in seconds. The metasploit command was:
msfcli windows/smb/ms08_067_netapi RHOST=192.168.1.5 PAYLOAD=windows/shell/bind_tcp E
To be fair, my XP box really wasn't patched.

Back to AV programs: I can't say it enough about the fact that there are always viruses in the wild that the AV company doesn't have in their dat files. The dat files are what you download to maintain updated protection. Since they don't contain all the virus signatures, your protection is reduced drastically.
 
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Old 09-23-15, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pulpo
I still use XP but I don't use an AV program. I don't like AV programs, for the reasons that you mentioned & as I've said it many times before, I think that they are worthless. If a virus is released today, it could be a week or more before the AV company updates their .dat files, with the virus signature. That leaves their customers at risk during that time.
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Back to AV programs: I can't say it enough about the fact that there are always viruses in the wild that the AV company doesn't have in their dat files. The dat files are what you download to maintain updated protection. Since they don't contain all the virus signatures, your protection is reduced drastically.
You probably have an IT background.

AV programs creates a sense of false positive and not only that, it slows down the computer drastically. Like you, I have not used AV programs for my personal computers for over 10 years. At work, they are installed. It is all about prevention vs detection. I agree with you 100% if a virus is released today, it may take up to weeks before they can provide a patch. A day is already long enough where Malwares, Trojans, Worms, etc... can send your data, passwords back out or replicate itself.

Plus, I wouldn't be surprise these companies which have created these antivirus programs also are the ones which have created the new viruses so that you have to upgrade.

The only time I use AV checker is when I downloaded a file from an unknown source:
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en

Then I tested it in a contain environment.
 

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Old 09-23-15, 07:13 PM
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What you proponents of not using AV software say is true, the viruses are there before the cure. But you guys do a major dis-service by preaching that AV's are not worth it. Slows down the speed? Yes, but that's just part of computing in today's world. Can't prevent new infections? True, but even condoms are not 100% safe.

It's like saying all anti-pollution junk on cars is worthless because cars still pollute with or without the controls. So.............lets not have any pollution control?

AV software is worth it, be it free or pay. Similar to auto seatbelts. Some may never need them, but talk to those who have been saved by them.

If you use the Internet, then you better have AV. If not, sooner or later you will get caught. Even if you're an IT wizard.

Like I said previously, if you only use a computer or the Internet for a trusted forum and only do word processing, then any windows or MAC OS would do fine.
 
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Plus, I wouldn't be surprise these companies which have created these antivirus programs also are the ones which have created the new viruses so that you have to upgrade.
Actually, John McAfee did that. He is now running, for president.
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the viruses are there before the cure.
Correct!

AV software is worth it, be it free or pay. Similar to auto seatbelts
I haven't found any that are worth it nor have I ever seen a comfortable seat belt. That is not to say that you shouldn't use either.

If you use the Internet, then you better have AV. If not, sooner or later you will get caught.
I had an incident about 3 years ago. I opened (don't laugh) Internet Explorer on XP. Don't try it at home. I wanted to look at my Favorites. One of the sites had been hacked & I got the FBI virus which was the first, in the category of Ransomware & also unstoppable by AV software. It took me about a 1/2 hour, to clean the machine. After that, I haven't had a problem.
 
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Old 09-23-15, 11:21 PM
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I have used several different free AV programs over the years as well as "going naked" for a time. To my knowledge I have never had any problem with my computers. However, I do not click on links in E-mail from unknown sources and I rarely download any "programs" from questionable sources. I do occasionally check out porn sites.

I run XP on all three of my computers along with the AVG free AV. The AVG updates almost every day with a major update (requiring a restart of the computer) maybe a couple of times a month. On an infrequent basis I will run Malware Bytes and maybe Spybot, Search and Destroy and possibly some other malware program. None of these finds anything beyond tracking cookies.

Something else I do is to dump all cookies and history every time that Firefox closes. I do not store any banking passwords on the computer and not even the URL of my credit union or 401(k).

The ONLY slowing of my computer happens ONLY on this site and only when I have more than 25-30 tabs open. When that happens I have to close Firefox and restart it which brings back all the tabs although does not actually open them.

I suppose that some day AVG will stop supporting XP and when that day comes I will need to buy a new computer as the three I have cannot use the later versions of Windows. That will also require me to buy new programs such as Excel and Word, something that I really do not want to do because of the cost. Truth is, I still am using the Word 2000 that came with my original laptop that ran Win98SE. I have had to download converter programs (from a trusted site) to allow it to open later versions as well as an Apple word processing program but it is far easier and less expensive than a whole new OS.
 
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Old 09-24-15, 12:07 AM
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I use avira free anti-virus though you have the option to purchase a upgraded version. I also use malwarebites anti-malware and you could also use spybot search and destroy.
 
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Old 10-07-15, 03:40 PM
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Pulpo,
Here is an interesting article that pretty much reflects what you are saying. Thought you and other might be interested.

Why I Haven't Used an Antivirus Program in Years
 
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http://webroot.com

This is by far one of the quickest and fastest one, in my opinion.
 
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Old 10-07-15, 05:08 PM
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If you use the Internet, then you better have AV. If not, sooner or later you will get caught. Even if you're an IT wizard.
If you use the internet, sooner or later you will get caught even if you have AV.
 
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Old 10-07-15, 05:12 PM
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[QUOTE]If you use the Internet, then you better have AV. If not, sooner or later you will get caught. Even if you're an IT wizard.[QUOTE]

If you use the internet, sooner or later you will get caught even if you have AV.
True, but would you rather have an AV or not if you're going to contract a virus? Nothing is fool proof, but as the article that I referenced, using MS Defender is all you really need to be reasonably safe.
 
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AV reduces that probability of a compromise but I believe the question remains is that new lower probability good enough to now allow me to do something different than I would have done without the AV? To me the answer is No. To me the same question and answer applies to the endless stream of Windows Security Updates.

But obviously the answer is subjective, as even your own words imply:
to be reasonably safe
Im prepared at any time to have any information on my internet computer compromised or stolen and plan accordingly. Files have to be backed up and a known good copy of the software has to be on hand. I would not keep any information on the internet computer that would cause me problems if stolen.

If Im infected I wipe the disk, restore software and files and continue. Ive rarely had to do the recovery and the hours spent doing so spread over the years is negligible.

To me the filtering, sandboxing, etc. the kind of things you add for security add another level of complexity IMHO and depending on how they are designed may actually slow your computer down and now you have to figure out whether the security software is slowing your computer down or whether something else is.
 
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Actually we pretty much agree. Although I don't use a sandbox I do have off line back-ups of all data.
 
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Mr. Norm,


I still stand by my previous post that AV softwares are really false positive sense of security. For regular consumers, it is for the better than for the worst. So, you are correct but for me, I will never FULLY rely on AV software for several reasons:

  • Performance
  • Security
  • False Positive (vaulting positive files as viruses, without your knowledge, these could be lost.
  • Data monitoring (Minimize the number of software that should have ability to monitor your entire personal data as it is a breach in security)


Here is an example of a base defense layer:
  • First computer, for surfing with Acronis Image, auto reimage every two days. That is the longest a trojan, malware, worm, etc... can survive. Treat this computer as if it is a public computer (in the library). Second computer, is the main computer which never ever touches the internet with Acronis Image, auto reimage every n number amount of days. This is a regulation that most large fianancial corporations use, intranet (internal network) separate from internet.
  • Personal data never ever touches the internet unless I choose to upload a file. Personal data never sits in "My Document" or the OS partition - biggest mistakes that most consumers do. Example: when you bring your computer to the shop, your personal data are exposed to the technicians. Also, upgrading, reimaging or repairing the OS will conflict with data on the OS partition (My Document).

There are so many more ways on how to secure personal data such that people don't use which we have not even touch on encryption and network monitoring. On the contrary, I don't have Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc... or any social media accounts. I have a separate credit card dedicated specifically for internet usage with a $300 max credit to monitor overrides.

Another practice: I avoid at all cost to attach files to emails as they will sit on the email servers. I usually upload to a cloud vault and email the link. When time goes by, it is at my discretion to remove the files from the vault.

I used to write my own special programs and disguise them as personal data files. If anyone hacks in and steal my personal data, it will counter attack which I won't share which part of the computer. I stopped doing that because I stepped on my own trap once. Now, I wrote a program that generated Hundred-Thousands of dummy files (with random dates & filesize), sitting on n number of computers, as another way to slow down and acts as another counter measure.

I am not against AV softwares and regular consumers should rely on them. For me, it is just a false sense of security, like thinking a stun gun will knock someone over. It won't.

The only time that I would use AV software, instead of the AV checker site, is to scan a bunch of new files from people. But to use it on a daily basis, no way would I put my faith into it. To have a software scan/monitor my personal data, I will never allow that, let alone concern of a breach. In the past, AV softwares have mistakenly moved personal data files to virus vault on false detection. Had I not have back up of those files, they would have been gone for good and those files are years of researches for my work.

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If I’m infected I wipe the disk, restore software and files and continue. I’ve rarely had to do the recovery and the hours spent doing so spread over the years is negligible.
Exactly! If my computer does get infected, instead of spending hours, it takes only 60 seconds to reimage and be right back to surfing, with a peace of mind that the infection is gone.

If you always keep your image updated (disconnected from the internet), you will always have a clean image READY. Prevention vs Detection! This is a strong defense layer that often have been overlooked. Business Continuity (BC) vs Disaster Recovery (DR)

Sounds like you have the same setup.

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I do occasionally check out porn sites.
Most of the time when you get hit is when you go to adult sites. I also install WOT to monitor the safety of the sites.

Furd, you are a funny man because most of us would not be that honest.
 

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I thought xp wasn't supported anymore. Yesterday we got an update????
 
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The XP operating system is no longer supported by Microsoft. However, certain parts of XP continue to be supported such as the Internet Explorer. I have received several updates from Microsoft since they announced they would no longer support XP.

Also, many, if not most, third-party anti-virus and malware programs still fully support their programs running on XP.
 
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I'm gonna jump in and agree with the statement that antivirus programs are a false sense of security as well.

I've worked in IT now for 9 years and I can't say that I've ever seen any AV program truly detect or remove any "virus" I've come across. It seems most of the time anymore, these "viruses" are actually malware. So after running a proper malware detection program such as SpyBot or MalwareBytes, that usually takes care of the issue. Norton/Symantec, McAfee, Kaspersky, et al, don't even pick up on these malware and thus do nothing to clean it up.

I used to run AVG on my home PC but I forget what happened to make me switch. I now run MSE and have never had a problem. Though I don't think I even really need that. I go to the same sites and don't really stray outside of that...and do little else on the PC. No major risk for infection there.
 
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