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Laser printer for home?

I need to get a new all-in-one printer (with at least copy, print, scan) for home.
I looked at all the offerings for inkjet printers. And I'm not crazy about any of the models.

I'm thinking about just getting an all-in-one laser printer in black ink only. These are more affordable than I thought. Do any of you use these at home to provide feedback on?

1. I looked at the page printing ink capacity for drum and toner cartridge for a few models. It could take me a few years to use up all the toner in these things with current usage. Can I make a toner cartridge and drum last for years if I don't use it too much?

2. Will most websites provide black print only versions of their pages with the pertinent information?

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I bought a B&W laser printer [canon D530] a number of yrs ago and am well pleased with it. It's like an old black and white TV, even if the show is in color you see it in black and white. It should print anything you want other than color.
 
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How long does your toner cartridge and drum last on your Canon?
 
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I don't print a lot so I'm still on the OE cartridge/drum. When I had a ink jet I did more printing but they always dried up on me - that's why I got a laser printer.
 
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I've never had an all-in-one but I've had a laser printer in my home most of the time since 1998. The one time I had an inkjet instead, I absolutely hated it because the heads were always drying out and I had to put in new cartridges just about every time I needed to print something.
 
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I picked up a HP M277dw a couple of years a go, finally ran out of color ink this year. The thing is pretty rocksolid in all it's function (don't fax much though). I concur with the others, the inkjet cartridges kept drying out or would leave streaks from the print head. Cleaning the head never helped.

I'm very happy with what I have except for the cost of the cartridges and the relative lack of aftermarket supplies.

When I do need to print a lot nothing beats the speed and cleanliness of what I have. YMMV, I certainly haven't tried them all.

RE: Black ink only...anything you print with just black ink will print in a grayscale perfectly fine.
 
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Yeah, I don't want to mess with the inkjet ones anymore for the same reasons you guys mentioned.

Are you saying the color format you are copying or printing from will show up in grayscale?

Any thoughts on compatibility with Linux Mint 18 on my desktop PC? I swore off Windows at home forever! I heard HP was best choice for Linux. But I kinda' like the Brother all-in-one lasers better.And the Brother toner cartridges are cheaper.
 
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Long ago gave up on ink jet printers and now only use laser printers. My home printer goes through a cartridge about every 2-3 years and it's always ready to go when we need it.
 
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Remember the biggest cost of a printer will be the ink or toner.

Printers that use toner are good for low volume because toner doesn't go bad.

Inkjet printers will dry out if not used for several weeks/months, which can ruin them or require cleaning with rubbing alcohol and a syringe/cleaning kit.

I inherited an HP DeskJet 2100 toner printer from a tenant; once I cleaned the rollers, and added a $15 networking card, it works well as a network printer. Also found that toner printers are MUCH better for addressing envelopes (inkjet-printed envelopes smear when they get wet)

I do most of my printing on an inkjet copy/printer/scan/fax machine, and I've learned that the most important things for an inkjet is to get one with a dedicated printhead and 4 separate color tanks.

Cheap printers will use a "cartridge" which has black and color ink and a print head in one unit. Because the print head is part of the disposable cartridge, the printheads have to be cheap to manufacture. Also, when you use up any 1 ink color, you need to buy a new cartridge.

Better models have 2 cartridges, black ink & black print head, and color ink and color print head.

Best of all are the inkjet printers with a dedicated high-quality print heads, and 4 separate tanks of ink (black, red, blue, yellow). Ink is cheap, the machines run great.
 
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I looked at the inkjet ones with ink tanks too. But you have to trade-off features and lower price for having tanks.

Anyone use Linux with their laser printers?

Will all color format show up in laser printers as grayscale? Or will it just blank it out?
 
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I've only had HP printers myself and my experience with Brother printers has all been at work but it was bad enough I won't consider one. That said, all of this was Windows OS so I can't help with the Linux part of the equation.
 
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I run the Brother Multi Function 7860DW. All in one unit. I am exceptionally happy with the performance. I'm no longer an HP printer enthusiast.

The toner cartridges are relatively inexpensive and last a long time.
Here's a blurp on Linux..... Brother MFC-7860DW
 
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Will all color format show up in laser printers as grayscale?
Not saying they are not out there, but every printer I know of will print color pictures in greyscale either manually or automatically. This includes the copy function if you only have black ink.

If you don't want the printer to do the conversion to greyscale, you can do it yourself in the printer dialog box. Not sure if Linux has this option. I've never known a printer to print nothing if the data stream is with color but you only have black ink.

Looks like the brother cartridges are about 80% of the HP, plus it looks like there are some aftermarkets that are cheaper....I'm jealous.
 
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I'm glad I asked you guys first. I read all your responses. This weekend, I was an inch away from buying an inkjet all-in-one.

HP or Brother?..................I don't know yet. Brother toner cartridges seem to be cheaper.

Linux Mint 18 on my desktop might already have something to help with Brother install.
 
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Many black and white laser printers give a "grainy" image when you try to print a picture. This is because those models print clusters of not so tiny black dots of varying sizes instead of a real gray scale. Since you are buying an all-in-one printer you should be able to do a demo printout in less than a minute using it like a photocopier via the built in scanner.
 
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That's a good idea. I just checked The Linux Mint 18 operating system on my PC. It came bundled with about 15 driver packages for Brother printers.
 
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What a conundrum! I don't have any answers, but just adding that I've been juggling this too, and it's frustrating. For a number of years I have worked with various groups through church, community, etc., and would often print a number of agendas or whatnot that required color, so relied on higher end inkjet all-in-ones. I bought good ones, they lasted a long time, and were used a lot, so I never paid much attention to how many cartridges I went through. I'm still involved, but have cut back some, and have a local print shop that I rely on, even does no charge jobs for me sometimes for charitable functions. So sometime before the first of the year it was time to replace my home office printer, and bought what I have always bought, an inkjet, but this time about the least expensive one they had in stock. Whoa, last week it needed a refill, so the wife picked up new cartridges on the way home one evening, and they cost almost as much as the printer did. The cost of the being able to print almost doubled in about 6 months! Man, I'm just not put together this way, I have always bought things to last, take care of them, and am generally pleased, but, based on what I have read elsewhere and in this thread, I think when this printer needs a refill it's going into the recycle and I'll buy a laser.
 
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I know what you mean, Pedro. When I was looking over all-in-one printers this weekend, I also spent a fair amount of time pricing compatible ink tank models and toner/ink cartridges. My HP inkjet just broke. But it lasted over 12 years. It might take me a few weeks to make a decision. No urgent need to buy one right away.
 
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I run the Brother Multi Function 7860DW. All in one unit. I am exceptionally happy with the performance.
I have purchased about 15 of this Brother multi-function printer (for work) and couldn't be happier with it. It's reliable, quick, and priced well. I typically use 3rd party toner for it to save a few dollars. I'd highly recommend it!
 
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That's good to hear about Brother. The Brother driver packages in my desktop Linux might be a little outdated. It doesn't contain the driver for Brother model# DCP-L2550DW. I'm wondering if I should buy a model that matches what I have in my driver packages on my PC.......................or just download the drivers from Brother website for the current model I am interested in.
 
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Either... or. It looks like the drivers are available either way.

Someone mentioned printing pictures. I wouldn't recommend a black laser printer if I wanted to do a lot of picture printing. It will print pictures but they aren't picture perfect. I usually take my pictures on a USB drive to Staples if I need good color pictures.
 
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When I got my first ink jet I printed a few pics but wasn't satisfied with the quality and shocked at how much color ink it used. Now we always take any pics to be printed to Walmart.
 
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I've got several Brother Inkjet multi functions MFC-465cn, which prints to 1,200 DPI.

Great workhorse, replacement ink is usually $14 for a 20 pack of mixed colors tanks, usually 4 of each color and then 8 black ink tanks.
 
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I think laser is the way to go for me. Inkjet cartridges are for the birds.
 
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For me, 90% of my printing is black / grayscale so for years I've used a B&W Laser at home (Pantum, works just fine in windows haven't tried Linux) and gone to a print shop if I really needed color. Recently starting to print more color for my wife's business, so when I saw a Xerox Phaser color laser on hella sale I went ahead and bought it. My sister has been printing color laser for 15 years, and sometimes has cartridges last 5 years or more. All-in-one machines are not always the world's best scanners, and you often have to balance your needs among the features. Since my wife is an artist we have a flatbed scanner for high quality stuff but the convenience of being able to put a 5 page document into a scanner is nice when I don't need the HiRes. Of course, my main statement would be to buy something you can test, and if that Linux Mint is a laptop, make them let you print a page from it before you buy that model, even if you have to use USB in the store for printing.
 
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Originally Posted by bluesbreaker
I think laser is the way to go for me. Inkjet cartridges are for the birds.
Well, it's not just the cartridge, it's the machine they're fitted into.

After re-reading, there is one point not discussed-

SCANNING - What sort of scanning do you need?

I have come to REALLY, REALLY, enjoy the combination of

1) 10 page scanner tray (will take ~15 actually and save as .PDF or JPG or TIFF.

2) scanner will do "unlimted" pages i.e. you drop ANOTHER 10 pages into the scanner as the last page scans, it will scan THOSE ten pages, repeat up to ~200 pages.

3) MS Office Document Imaging "MODI" program still provides OCR for .TIF files, and integrates with MS Office 2005/2010.

I use that array of functions all the time, free accurate OCR compatibility can't be understated.

I use the Multi-Function Scammer with 20+ page real estate agreements, home inspections and court filings to create OCR text searchable documents all the time.

Also is quite useful when you don't feel like "retyping" 3 pages of minutes from a park & rec board or hospital auxiliary, just scan, OCR and drop into MS Word.

Should also mention, more and more photo printers seem to be using InkJet instead of color laser, which often means the InkJet machines will ALSO have the higher resolution color scanner.
 
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