Need advice for first time DIY patio

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Old 05-31-15, 02:11 PM
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Need advice for first time DIY patio

Hello and thanks for taking some time to read my question and perhaps respond with some advice. To start, here is what I am working with.



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In the picture where you can see the wall jet out a foot or so by the hose is where I would like the patio to end. It will be about 525 sqft. I have a bit of extra stone that I am in the process of moving over to getting a better base down where the patio will be. There seems to already be about 3-4 inches of it, will another 1-2 inches be ok/better/worse?

The retaining wall is not on line with the edge of the house and the angle that it lies on to connect them is graded down enough that if I leveled it there would be a rather large step at the end, unsafely so.

The corner of the retaining wall is curved and even where it is flat I have no clue what to do where the meet.

Finally, I have a crappy wooden step out the back door down to the stone that I would like to somehow blend in with the patio.

Also where the grill is in the picture I am hoping to add a stone fire pit with enough room to put a rounded bench against the retaining wall. I don't think I will need any more base other then the leveling sand, and where I live the cost of living is very low so the I should be able to come in under $1000 for the patio stone I choose. I will be doing all the labor and I am hoping to finish it for $1500-$2000 total if I can.

Any information you can offer me would be great. I have no clue what to do other then what I have gathered from YouTube videos and would appreciate any suggestions and instructions. ASSUME I KNOW NOTHING!

Thanks so much for your time and replies.
 

Last edited by Nathan Parks; 05-31-15 at 02:17 PM. Reason: Added fire pit comment.
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Old 05-31-15, 08:28 PM
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For starters, I think your estimated material costs are not realistic. If you deduct $500 or so for bedding sand and edge retainers, that leaves just $1500 for the paver themselves. Which works out to less than $3 per S.F., which is typically what the cheap, plain-jane box-store stuff will cost. Some can even go double or triple that amount, and we're still not talking about the higher-quality products that a stone supply place usually offers.
 
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Could you expand that a little for me? By bedding are you referring to the rock base? If so, that is already there. I am initially planning on using 16x16 patio blocks. So my math was blocks are 256 sqr in. The total space is 525sqft or 75600 sq in. So 75600/256 will be 295 blocks plus some extra for breakage if I understand right. I can easily wait for a sale and have seen these size patio blocks earlier this spring at Menards for anywhere from just a $1.28 a piece to a variety at about $3.00 But all of those options keep me at $1000 or under for the stones.

Perhaps I made an error or am missing something?

Thanks again for your input!
 
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Old 06-01-15, 03:18 PM
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If you're happy with the look of the plain-jane, Home Depot variety, then your numbers are workable. Most people lay pavers on a bedding of an inch or so of sand, but if you think laying them directly on gravel will work for you, then go for it. I admit I haven't laid very many stone pavers, so some of the other posters may have more meaningful information.
 
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I don't know what you have but pavers need a compacted stone base (yours does not look compacted and I don't know if it can be compacted) with another 1" layer of bedding sand on top.
 
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