Behr waterproofing solid stain?

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Old 08-20-16, 11:56 PM
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Behr waterproofing solid stain?

I just applied some Barn red solid stain from Behr with a brush on my deck near and under the railings, etc. I only put one coat so far and was going to attempt to roll a first coat on half of my deck tomorrow.

Is there anything special I should be doing or worrying about while staining? One thing I forgot was that earlier in the morning today I bleached and washed some parts of the deck and then it dried good as far as I could tell.

A few hours later I applied the stain with a brush in the areas I mentioned. I read that you should wait 24 hrs. after raining. Is is bad that I stained a few hours later?

What about 2nd coats? It says to wait 1-2 hours. Does that mean I HAVE to apply a 2nd coat within those hours or can I wait till the next day like I'm doing now?

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I'm not all that familiar with Behr coatings. Most latex stains can be recoated at any time after they have dried sufficiently. Waterborne stains generally have a recoat window and the 2nd coat has to be applied during that time frame OR after the 1st coat has either been chemically removed or become well weathered. The label will state which is the case.

Generally it's not a great idea to wash and stain in the same day. It often takes 24-72 hrs for the wood to dry - a lot depends on weather conditions [hot, sunny, breezy, etc] and how porous the wood is. New tight grained wood might appear to take longer to dry than old wood but it generally dries quicker because the water lays on top instead of being sucked up by the wood.

I hope you are using a deck stain and not just a siding stain!
 
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Old 08-21-16, 06:33 AM
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Does that mean I HAVE to apply a 2nd coat within those hours
IMO yes, you have to (should) apply the second coat of stain within two hours.
After 24 hours almost any stain will start working as a sealer. Any stain applied on top of the sealed surface will act more like paint and not penetrate as well.
 
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It depends on the type of stain. Most waterborne stains have a recoat window, most latex and oil base stains do not and can be recoated the next day [or week] with no adhesion issues. It should be clear on the label about the recoat procedure. If it states within 2 hrs then the adhesion might be suspect if you wait too long. If that type of stain starts to cure it will repel more stain. If it says after 2 hrs, then you should be able to recoat at any time once the first coat is dry.
 
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Thanks. This is BEHR waterproofing Wood Stain and it says "for decks" on it. It's 100% acrylic stain. It doesn't say WITHIN 1-2 hours, but AFTER 1-2 hours dry time.

Wait I think the actual words used are:

DRY TIME : 1-2 hours before recoat
 

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I was just reading an article on Bob Vila website and I guess he recommends PAINTING a deck instead of staining. Too late for me, BUT I'm wondering if for some reason the BEHR stain fails and starts peeling, will I be able to just scrape and then PAINT the deck next summer? Can you paint right over stain?

http://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-.../#.V7oAV3lTGUk

I know a lot of people are against painting a deck (paint shouldn't be used on horizontal), but I would imagine that all you'd have to do would be to scrape and touch up each year rather than stripping all the old stain and starting over every 3-5 years.
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While primer and paint will last longer than stain it's more work initially and a LOT more work when it comes time to redo the deck. You can paint over stain. There is generally no need to strip a solid stain in order to restain, just clean, remove any loose stain and apply a fresh coat of stain.
 
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I would never paint a deck due to the increased effort involved with subsequent coats. I use semi-transparent deck stains with good/new wood and solid body deck stains with old/worn wood.
 
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generally no need to strip a solid stain in order to restain
Should have said no need to strip a weathered solid stain in order to restain

Certain deck stains need to either be stripped or well weathered before you can recoat once the recoat window has passed.
 
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I noticed that the BEHR solid stain seems to dry very quickly (within seconds maybe). Is this going to be a problem down the road? I heard that solid stains don't penetrate that well and are therefore very close to being like paint.

It looks nice so far. I got the whole top deck done, save for touch ups here and there, but I'm hoping it'll hold for a couple years ...... I spent nearly the whole summer getting this old deck done!
 
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IMO, a solid body deck stain is going to be the longest lasting stain you can apply. That said, I've never used the brand you did so I cannot comment on it specifically.
 
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The stain shouldn't dry that quickly! are you applying it in the hot sun? If the hot sun can't be avoided you can either thin the 1st coat or add a product like Flood's Floetrol or XIM's Xtends to slow down the drying time. The danger with any coating drying too fast is it's not apt to suck deep enough in the wood to create a good bond.
 
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temps in the 70's and NO it wasn't applied in the sun, in the shade for a good part of it, yet it appears to dry very quickly as far as I can tell. It seems like its stuck on good though ....

maybe it wasn't dry that quickly, but it looked as if it was. I walked on it about a 1/2 hour later and it was tacky, but didn't leave foot prints or anything.

I just read here that water based stains dry very fast.
http://news.thefinishingstore.com/in...ries-too-fast/
 
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Of the 3 types of stains [latex,waterborne, oil] latex dries the quickest. If it was still tacky 1/2 hr later it probably wasn't drying as fast as you thought. You do want to make sure a latex stain is good and dry before you apply another coat.
 
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Yes, thanks, it was dry before 2nd coat at about 1hour later. I walked on it and it was good. BEHR says from 1-2 hours for 2nd coat. Looks good, but I have to touch up a few areas and put a 2nd coat with a small brush underneath railings and stuff where I couldn't reach with the roller.

I put the stain on with roller (3/8 nap) and then brushed it in with a 3 inch brush. I also got down into all the cracks.

I'm using 100% acrylic stain, whatever that is. I read that there's no difference between latex and acrylic stains because latex stains don't really contain real latex and that acrylic are waterborne stains.

I'll post a picture of my work maybe tomorrow.
 
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