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Old 03-05-06, 09:59 AM
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Question how to fix broken door jam

In a recent high winds, my storm door wasn't properly shut and blew open ripping the door bar (on the bottom keeps storm door from closing to fast - can hold door open - sorry not up on the technical jargon) off the door jam - screws and all. It took part of the door jam with it. How do I fix this? Thanks for the help!
 
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How much of the door jamb did it take with it? This can sometimes be repaired, but it depends on how big an area we are talking about. What caused the problem was of course the wind, but the sissy screws provided by the storm door manufacturers. They are a little short and do not extend quite enough into the framework of the door. Had they been in the door frame, you would only be replacing the door closer piston assembly because it would have bent rather than tearing out the jamb. With that in mind, Minwax makes an epoxy type wood filler that can be mixed and built up, sanded down and repainted to look like new. I wouldn't use in a large area, so, again, depending on how bad the tearout is, you may be in the market for a new jamb. Post back and let us help more.
 
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Broken Door Jamb

In addition to repairing the wood and using longer screws on the door closer bracket, you could use a Door closer repair brace kit, available hopefully at all hardware stores. As you can see from the picture, it really is nothing more than a flat plate with holes drilled in it. Just make sure you use long screws this time that go through the door jamb and into the studs.

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Besides using the patch method of covering up the damaged area and then using longer screws that reach the stud, you could also possibly relocate the storm door closer to a different location.

Besides the wind being the only culprit, I would also be willing to bet that there was no storm door safety chain installed near the top of the door. I've noticed that many of the storm doors I've been installing lately have not been coming with this important piece of hardware, which is supposed to prevent the door from opening any wider than 90 degrees, bending the storm door closer rod, or ripping out the closer bracket, as you have experienced.

So in addition to fixing the damaged spot, be sure you've got a storm door safety chain installed so that this doesn't happen again!
 
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Old 03-05-06, 09:33 PM
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If the section is laaarge that was ripped out, I've had many homeowners ask about replacing that side jamb only since they're only $10-20. I then have to go into my schpeel that your better off replacing the entire door (since 99% of the entry doors are old anyways) because I will have to charge full price of a door replacement due to the fact I have to remove the entire entry door frame so I can disassemble, replace, and then put it all back together. After i point out how old their current door is and the leaking weather seals it becomes a no brainer to replace the entire door instead of just the jamb. If the door is newer, you can always order a new pre hung frame only then do what you have to do to make existing door fit new jamb. If your doing the work time is no big deal for mortising hinges and boreing for lockset/deadbolt, but if you have to pay somebody, replace the entire door.

When installing storm doors, especially since the newer models are all double closures and use no safety chain, I've been using 3 1/2" screws so I can get into the stud. This will help prevent any future jamb blow out's, and closures are cheaper to repalce than door jambs.
 
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Question about door chain

I've got a Larson storm door with double closers and had this very thing happen to me. This thread has given me some valuable advice already, but I have one more question. Is it possible or even advisable for me to install an after market storm door chain on a metal door? If I did this would I have to not use a closer at the top and just have one at the bottom?

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I've got a Larson storm door with double closers and had this very thing happen to me. This thread has given me some valuable advice already, but I have one more question. Is it possible or even advisable for me to install an after market storm door chain on a metal door? If I did this would I have to not use a closer at the top and just have one at the bottom?

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I've seen customers do this themselves, using a top closer it's going to be tough since space is already limited with the closure being close to the top z bar so depending on where you install the chain it may hit/hinder the closing process. Yoou can always try doing away with the top closure, but many of these full view doors are pretty heavy, and the latch mechanism's need that little extra force that both closures provide to pull them shut nicely without being a mouse trap.

I wish they'd design them with a safety chain system, lots of door jambs around the world would appreciate it.
 
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I usually pick up an aftermarket safety chain for every storm door I install (since most newer storm doors no longer come with them). I install them as a freebie for the homeowner.

On the double closers, IHI is right about it being congested near the top. I usually chuck the instructions and suggested measurements that are included with the safety chain, and mount the chain keeper right on the end of the closer, and then put the nail about 3" away from the jamb so as to avoid the triangle shaped storm door closer pivot. I also position the nail close to the prime door so as to avoid the cylinder as it comes closed. Then it's important to hook the chain onto the spring in the right location so that when the door is closed, it holds the first 9" or so of the spring portion of the chain horizontal (parallel, and right next to the top closer) while the remainder of the chain hangs loosely.
 
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Just a quick note, too, if the door has a retractable screen, DO NOT install anything on the top rail of the door. Had a customer call me after they tried a diy install, putting the closer on the top rail, and couldn't understand why their screen wouldn't come down. All the rail screws penetrated the screen. Had to buy a new one at $75 for just the screen, so be careful.
 
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Fixing Closers on a Larson EasyVent storm door

We had a similar problem this wknd with our Larson EasyVent door. Door must have blown open and now doesn't close anymore. The door doesn't fit in the jam. Have tried to lift and push it in towards the hinge side of th jam but it doesn't budge. All the screws and hinges are in tact so it must be that the closers are blown and no longer providing tension to keep the door tight in the jam, right? Can you fix the closers? Could it be anything else causing it not to fit anymore? It's the main door we use, so I'm kind of desperate for advice. And of course, wind damage isn't covered in the warranty!!

Thanks for any help you can offer.
 
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Disconnect the closers and see if the door then fits the way it should. That tells you if the hinge side "Z"-bar is bent. Since the wood frame is still intact I would guess that the Z-bar is ok. Yes you have probably damaged the closers. Thats lucky, cause a set of closers is much cheaper than a new door, and easier than replacing frame parts.

You can order directly from Larson, or the store where you purchased it. They may even have parts at the store.

http://www.larsondoors.com/online/parts.shtml
 

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Thanks for the advice. We were actually able to fix the problem at no cost (lucky, I know). We removed the frame piece back (the side opposite the hinges) and tighter to the frame and removed both closers to straighten the bars which were slightly bent. We also fixed the handle which had become loose and was creating friction when trying to close. Fortunately I have a neighbor who is pretty handy so he saved me a lot of time, aggravation and probably money.

Thanks for the reply!
 
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I am searching for a door closer repair brace with no luck at local hardware of a speciality loock and pull place. Any where on line I could order these?
 
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