Need advice on how to put door in archway.
#1
01-08-08, 09:53 PM
Need advice on how to put door in archway.
I know the basics of framing, but am stumped by this one. I want to remove this arch, and put in a door. The old lady makes to much noise, to early in the morning, in the closet/bathroom area, and if there is a door here, the problem will be mostly solved. Here are all the measurments with the sheetrock in place:
Width = 34”
The arch width is 11 ¾”
From floor to top of arch is 83 ½”
From floor to the bottom where the arch begins to bend is 79”
I am stumped on how to get a door in a wall that is roughly 10" thick, and be able to trim out both sides. Is it even possible?
Width = 34”
The arch width is 11 ¾”
From floor to top of arch is 83 ½”
From floor to the bottom where the arch begins to bend is 79”
I am stumped on how to get a door in a wall that is roughly 10" thick, and be able to trim out both sides. Is it even possible?
Last edited by Blakelpd5; 01-08-08 at 09:54 PM. Reason: added pics
#2
01-09-08, 07:00 AM
Is it even possible? Yes.
Simplify: I suspect that your walls are plaster. Install a door with a transom. Now you have the option of centering the jamb in the opening, offsetting it on one side, or extending it the length of (even wrap the corners if you chose). The transom (an arched filler in your case) can be solid or glazed.
If you understand the basics of framing, and know that a door is a box; thus the door frame and the rough opening must be a boxes also, then make it happen . Wide, narrow, and offset jambs are available via special order (building one is not a big deal for someone with skills).
Removal: the arch could have been framed a number of ways. The wall may or may not be load bearing. Surgery is required to determine the framing method.
Simplify: I suspect that your walls are plaster. Install a door with a transom. Now you have the option of centering the jamb in the opening, offsetting it on one side, or extending it the length of (even wrap the corners if you chose). The transom (an arched filler in your case) can be solid or glazed.
If you understand the basics of framing, and know that a door is a box; thus the door frame and the rough opening must be a boxes also, then make it happen . Wide, narrow, and offset jambs are available via special order (building one is not a big deal for someone with skills).
Removal: the arch could have been framed a number of ways. The wall may or may not be load bearing. Surgery is required to determine the framing method.
#3
01-09-08, 12:26 PM
so if i'm understanding correctly, get a door with a custom made jamb that is the width of the framing? I don't know what a transom is. If the wall is in fact load bearing, the R.O. should be square with the arch "added" in correct?
#4
01-09-08, 09:37 PM
So if i'm understanding correctly, get a door with a custom made jamb that is the width of the framing? You have a number of options.
Choose the position of the door in the opening and the swing. At one end or the other, in the middle, or offset. (swing: consider traffic flow, obstructions). Then choose a fully cased (jamb depth of the opening) or partially cased opening (plaster exposed on either side of the jamb, casing or trim applied to jamb edges). Next: [A transom is a window, or a panel set in a frame, directly above a door or another window.] Choose transom panel, eyebrow glazed transom, none. Another option: [If an end positioned door “a capital” is another choice in closing off the arch.] [ A capital is surface applied millwork that spans the door or opening at the spring line. The spring line is the horizontal line (point) where the columns (sides) meet a flat or curved arch].
Capital – surface applied (elaborate “casing” or casework) . Transom – generally inset. Always within a frame.
If the wall is in fact load bearing, the R.O. should be square with the arch "added" in correct? Generally that's true. On the other hand the header could be a trussed arch.
A sample set of choices: door position & swing: hall side, right hand reverse (loose the mirror). Partially cased opening. Standard jamb with edge beading applied as trim. (Plaster entry “feature” bedroom side). Fixed panel transom (2-1/2” wide x 1-1/4” flange steel track as header [spring line] & backing through the arch [tin snips & long screws to reach the framing] “sheet rock” panels on either side).
Remember that our box has parallel sides. Thus side jamb should be parallel & plumb. Whatever depth of jamb you select measure across at multiple points to find the narrowest point. Adjust the door width accordingly.
Choose the position of the door in the opening and the swing. At one end or the other, in the middle, or offset. (swing: consider traffic flow, obstructions). Then choose a fully cased (jamb depth of the opening) or partially cased opening (plaster exposed on either side of the jamb, casing or trim applied to jamb edges). Next: [A transom is a window, or a panel set in a frame, directly above a door or another window.] Choose transom panel, eyebrow glazed transom, none. Another option: [If an end positioned door “a capital” is another choice in closing off the arch.] [ A capital is surface applied millwork that spans the door or opening at the spring line. The spring line is the horizontal line (point) where the columns (sides) meet a flat or curved arch].
Capital – surface applied (elaborate “casing” or casework) . Transom – generally inset. Always within a frame.
If the wall is in fact load bearing, the R.O. should be square with the arch "added" in correct? Generally that's true. On the other hand the header could be a trussed arch.
A sample set of choices: door position & swing: hall side, right hand reverse (loose the mirror). Partially cased opening. Standard jamb with edge beading applied as trim. (Plaster entry “feature” bedroom side). Fixed panel transom (2-1/2” wide x 1-1/4” flange steel track as header [spring line] & backing through the arch [tin snips & long screws to reach the framing] “sheet rock” panels on either side).
Remember that our box has parallel sides. Thus side jamb should be parallel & plumb. Whatever depth of jamb you select measure across at multiple points to find the narrowest point. Adjust the door width accordingly.
