Hello..

I'm trying to fix my window and need this part but not sure what its called or where I can get it. At first, I thought it was a track, but after hours of searching, I give up since I can't find anything similar. Do you have any ideas? Please help!!

Thanks!!


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It is a spring loaded lifting mechanism. One on each side of the window. What is wrong with this one?

 

Chandler..no one could find it online with that description...lol.

Spring balance, channel balance, or block and tackle balance...kinda depends on the manufacturer...
Heres a good site to find a replacement if needed...SWISCO.com: Sash Support Balances and Hardware

But as chandler said..whats wrong?

 

oh great!
Do you know where I can buy them? Are they old or something?

If you look at the pictures, the one on the right has the string and its attached to a piece of metal that is then attached to the frame of the window. Well, the one of the left got cut somehow so the cord isn't long enough. Also, the springs look rusted and won't budge anyways.

When they're attached to the windows, only one side is really working so its uneven.

To be honest, I don't even know how these stay on the windows, by the plastic pieces on the end?


Thanks!!!
Any help would be appreciated!

 

ok, so looks like I have a page of these, I just have to match it up.. So far, I haven't seen anything similar though..

SWISCO.com: 1/2 inch Wide Channel Balances

Also, is this something that can be purchased at the local hardware store or is this special order only? Sorry for all the questions, the windows are older and I can't seem to find any branding/model number.


Thanks Chandler and Gunguy!

 

Some of those "block and tackle balances" will have a couple important numbers on them. The one in the picture with the spring showing... flip it over so you can see the opposite side, and tell us if there's a number on them. Something like 2830. meaning 28"... 30 lbs of lift.

I have a few spares in our warehouse, but you should be able to locate them online if you know that number.

One look at those balances makes it obvious they are shot. You should buy replacements in pairs anyway.

 

YES!

The numbers are 2230. Do you have any of these? Also, are these easy to install?

 

I can look... but the thing that makes me wonder is the shape of the bottom end. The nylon shoe on top looks the same as the ones we have, but the shape of the shoe on bottom looks odd. I wonder if you'll have trouble finding it because of this. Check this page on the swisco site that was mentioned earlier, and see if you can find a match by looking at one of your balances that ISN'T broken.

The ones I have all have a "19-002" top shoe, and something similar to a "15-003" bottom shoe... apparently a model they do not handle. You might be in a similar situation. But someone should have it... trouble will be finding it.

The hook on the end of the string (the balance on R) is obviously bent, and can't be used.

I also wonder about the cam clips (also called balance retainer clips, or not-so-technical "take out clip"). They are the pieces that catch the cam on top of the balance when you raise the window as you raise and remove the sideload sash from the frame. If they have been bent, the clip will catch on the balance, which eventually wears through and breaks the string. Those cam clips should be relatively flat when snapped back into the window jamb, and should not rub on the balance when the window is operated.

There is a trick to reinstalling them, as the springs are very strong. It'll snap your flesh like a bad dog if you aren't careful. They are also known to shoot out like a rocket if you don't know what you're doing... like a small missile that can break the window frame, rip a screen or put a dent in a ceiling. Usually homeowners do these sort of things when they don't know what they're doing. Don't ask how I know this. LOL

You may also have better luck finding what you need from this site that sells c.r.l. parts Be sure you get the right shoes for your balance, though! (and the tool to install the rivets that come with the repair kit!)

 

thanks xsleeper, That was very informative. I think the one that I may have is this one: 23"

SWISCO.com: Series 390 Channel Balances

I live in an older condo with a lot of units and buildings, and they did say that this is a more popular one. 15-001 and 15-003 look very similar but I'm going to take a chance and get that the 15-001.

Let me know if you actually do have the 15-001.

As for the "take out clip", I went that that link you provided and looked closer, is it possible that the clip in my picture is actually the terminal clip? It looks all bent, but when it was in the side of the frame, it looked to be flush and sitting there properly. I guess I have to purchase that separately too?

Thank You All!

 

The "take out clip" and the "terminal clip" are 2 different things. The terminal clip is attached to the end of the string, and comes with the balance. It's pictured in that link you pasted, sucked up tight against the block & tackle rollers. Yours is bent beyond belief (as in your top picture, where the single balance is shown). The only way it could possibly lay flat is if you install it backwards, which wouldn't work very well.

The take out clip is not seen in any of your pictures since it snaps into the jamb of the window. It's the piece on the right in all of these repair kits. I would check to see that these take out clips are laying flat with the window jamb. They could possibly be the reason why your cord got cut.

 

Quick Question...

I'm going to order it shortly to get it in for the weekend.. However, on the part, it says 2230 but when I measured from metal to metal, not including the plastic pieces, I have 23".

So, which one do I order?

Thanks!!

 

According to CRL, a 2230 balance measures 23". the 22 evidentally refers to the distance of the spring and block and tackle.

 

Thanks Sleeper..

You all have been extremely helpful. I will be cruising this forum a lot more and hope to contribute one day.. I'll come back and update when I have it installed...

Thanks everyone!!