Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
#1
10-06-03, 06:24 AM
Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
Send in a Comment to NFPA for Proposal 1-145 to accept the proposal!!
Download Comment Form: http://joetedesco.com/nec/NEC05Comment.pdf
Send in a Comment to NFPA for Proposal 1-145 to accept the proposal!!
Download Comment Form: http://joetedesco.com/nec/NEC05Comment.pdf
#4
10-06-03, 02:14 PM
If a cable is properly labeled on both ends with a date and reason, I see no reason to get rid a abandoned wires that go into a finished space that is not being remodeled. Again, as long as a decent description of the cable is marked on it. Just my two cents
Tony
Tony
#5
10-17-03, 08:18 AM
Here Is The Comment
I suggest this for the proposed new rule.
Any suggestions or comments related to this proposed new "Section" in the 2005 NEC will be appreciated:
The reasons in the 2005 NEC ROP Proposal 1-145 are very clear:
The National Fire Codes, and National Electrical Code covers this situation in many locations. See similiar requirements here.
See NFPA 76 and 914 identified below.
NFPA 76, 9.10.2 Where practical, unused or dead cable should be mined (removed) and discarded. Care should be taken during the removal process so as to protect the existing live cables from damage. All cables that have been cut and abandoned in place should be capped.
A.1.3.2 Alterations or new installations in existing facilities should not diminish the level of protection below that which existed prior
to the alteration except that protection features in excess of those features recommended in this document can be left in service, removed, or abandoned in place. If abandoned in place, such systems should be clearly identified as no longer being in service.
NFPA 914, 9.7.4
Permanent wiring abandoned in place shall be tagged or otherwise identified at its termination and junction points as “Abandoned in Place,” or it shall be removed from all accessible areas and insulated from contact with other live electrical wiring or devices.
NEC 2002, 372.13 Discontinued Outlets.
When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case of abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.
NEC 2002, 374.7 Discontinued Outlets.
When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case with abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.
NEC 2002, 390.7 Discontinued Outlets.
When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case with abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.
See also the 2002 NEC Sections 640.2; 640.3(A); 645.5(6); 725.2; 725.3(B); 725.61(A) and (B)(1); 725.61(E);760.2; 760.3(A); 760.61(A) and (B)(1); 770.2; 770.3(A);770.53(A) and (B)(1); 800.2; 800.52(B); 800.53(A) and (B)(1); 820.2; 820.3(A); 820.53(A) and (B)(1); 820.53(D); and 830.2; 830.3; 830.55(B) and (C)(1).
NFPA 75, Section 4-3.4*
Abandoned cables shall not be allowed to accumulate. Cables not identified for future use shall be removed.
NFPA 75, *A-4-3.4
Abandoned cable can interfere with airflow and extinguishing systems. Abandoned cable also adds to the fuel loading.
The references cited above must be considered in order to show compliance with 90.1(B) for proper maintenance.
There was a great deal of justification presented in the original proposal 1-145 for this change in the NEC, and it cannot be ignored considering its impact to the safety of those who may be subjected to hazards in many public places.
Here's some information. We are in the comment stage now so anyone can send in a comment to cover any proposal. The code panel did reject the proposal and a comment or comments may give them a reason to reconsider. The original Section I proposed was 110.3 for proposal 1-145, but the better place for the new rule would be in 110.12(D)
ROP Process
The NEC® Report on Proposals is developed over the three-month period following the public Call for Proposals. Anyone can submit proposals or address the committee regarding a proposal; NFPA membership is not required. In addition to public response, technical committees also develop their own proposals and incorporate them into the report. The technical committees vote on each issue and prepare the final Report on Proposals. The report is sent automatically to each proposer and affected committee member, as well as anyone else who requests a copy. Once the Report on Proposals is published, committee members vote to approve their report in the ROP by letter ballot. Two-thirds of the eligible committee members must approve in order for the process to continue to the next step.
ROC Process
After the NEC® Report on Proposals has received the necessary approvals, the next stage in the Code-development process begins. During a 90-day period, the public at large can submit comments on the proposals and committee actions. Once public comments are received, committee members convene again to review them and decide how to act. This is an open meeting allowing anyone to address the committee on a particular public comment. After a two-thirds approval vote by letter ballot, the committee publishes the Report on Comments, which details its reasons for revising or rejecting any public comments. Over the following seven weeks, the ROC is available to anyone for review.
download the form here:
http://www.nfpa.org/PDF/NEC05Comment.pdf?src=necdigest
Any suggestions or comments related to this proposed new "Section" in the 2005 NEC will be appreciated:
110.12(D). Unused Defective, Discontinued and Abandoned Electrical Equipment: Unused defective, discontinued and abandoned electrical equipment shall be permanently tagged and identified at all terminations and junction points as being a potential electrical shock hazard.
If required by the Authority Having Jurisdiction, unused defective and abandoned electrical equipment shall be removed from all readily accessible areas, or shall be insulated from contact.
If required by the Authority Having Jurisdiction, unused defective and abandoned electrical equipment shall be removed from all readily accessible areas, or shall be insulated from contact.
The National Fire Codes, and National Electrical Code covers this situation in many locations. See similiar requirements here.
See NFPA 76 and 914 identified below.
NFPA 76, 9.10.2 Where practical, unused or dead cable should be mined (removed) and discarded. Care should be taken during the removal process so as to protect the existing live cables from damage. All cables that have been cut and abandoned in place should be capped.
A.1.3.2 Alterations or new installations in existing facilities should not diminish the level of protection below that which existed prior
to the alteration except that protection features in excess of those features recommended in this document can be left in service, removed, or abandoned in place. If abandoned in place, such systems should be clearly identified as no longer being in service.
NFPA 914, 9.7.4
Permanent wiring abandoned in place shall be tagged or otherwise identified at its termination and junction points as “Abandoned in Place,” or it shall be removed from all accessible areas and insulated from contact with other live electrical wiring or devices.
NEC 2002, 372.13 Discontinued Outlets.
When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case of abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.
NEC 2002, 374.7 Discontinued Outlets.
When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case with abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.
NEC 2002, 390.7 Discontinued Outlets.
When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case with abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.
See also the 2002 NEC Sections 640.2; 640.3(A); 645.5(6); 725.2; 725.3(B); 725.61(A) and (B)(1); 725.61(E);760.2; 760.3(A); 760.61(A) and (B)(1); 770.2; 770.3(A);770.53(A) and (B)(1); 800.2; 800.52(B); 800.53(A) and (B)(1); 820.2; 820.3(A); 820.53(A) and (B)(1); 820.53(D); and 830.2; 830.3; 830.55(B) and (C)(1).
NFPA 75, Section 4-3.4*
Abandoned cables shall not be allowed to accumulate. Cables not identified for future use shall be removed.
NFPA 75, *A-4-3.4
Abandoned cable can interfere with airflow and extinguishing systems. Abandoned cable also adds to the fuel loading.
The references cited above must be considered in order to show compliance with 90.1(B) for proper maintenance.
There was a great deal of justification presented in the original proposal 1-145 for this change in the NEC, and it cannot be ignored considering its impact to the safety of those who may be subjected to hazards in many public places.
Here's some information. We are in the comment stage now so anyone can send in a comment to cover any proposal. The code panel did reject the proposal and a comment or comments may give them a reason to reconsider. The original Section I proposed was 110.3 for proposal 1-145, but the better place for the new rule would be in 110.12(D)
ROP Process
The NEC® Report on Proposals is developed over the three-month period following the public Call for Proposals. Anyone can submit proposals or address the committee regarding a proposal; NFPA membership is not required. In addition to public response, technical committees also develop their own proposals and incorporate them into the report. The technical committees vote on each issue and prepare the final Report on Proposals. The report is sent automatically to each proposer and affected committee member, as well as anyone else who requests a copy. Once the Report on Proposals is published, committee members vote to approve their report in the ROP by letter ballot. Two-thirds of the eligible committee members must approve in order for the process to continue to the next step.
ROC Process
After the NEC® Report on Proposals has received the necessary approvals, the next stage in the Code-development process begins. During a 90-day period, the public at large can submit comments on the proposals and committee actions. Once public comments are received, committee members convene again to review them and decide how to act. This is an open meeting allowing anyone to address the committee on a particular public comment. After a two-thirds approval vote by letter ballot, the committee publishes the Report on Comments, which details its reasons for revising or rejecting any public comments. Over the following seven weeks, the ROC is available to anyone for review.
download the form here:
http://www.nfpa.org/PDF/NEC05Comment.pdf?src=necdigest
