4" square old work


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Old 03-04-04, 06:59 PM
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4" square old work

Someone once showed me the trick for installing a 4" x 4" square box as an old work box in drywall without useing deadwood, but it's been years, and I could use a refresher.

This will be for low voltage devices, so it doesn't have to be bullet proof, just reasonably solid and stable.
 
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Old 03-04-04, 07:19 PM
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Locate it right next to a stud and screw thru the side of the box into the stud. Not sure if that's what you mean by "deadwood" or not, but it should allow you to mount the box without having to do any drywall repair.
 
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Old 03-04-04, 07:35 PM
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That's usually my gambit, but this is that metal stud framing, and the location has to be fairly exact. The correct point puts me in a void between 24" centers, and I only have about 4" of wiggle room in either direction.
 
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Old 03-04-04, 07:46 PM
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Are you perhaps thinking of Madison Clips?
 
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_That's_ the name of the darned things. I tried to describe them, but the kid in the electrical department at Home Despot just got confused.

I haven't needed them in years, now I just have to remember how to bend them.
 
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If it's for lo-vo why not just use one of these from Caddy Fastners:
 
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It's for a fire alarm speaker, and the hole pattern has to be that of a 4 x 4 box, 2 gang screw pattern doesn't work.

Plus, the rear enclosure of the box is needed to get the proper sound output, the wall cavity would eat too much of the db. The location is pretty precise because it's a strobe device.
 
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Old 03-05-04, 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by MrRonFL
_That's_ the name of the darned things. I tried to describe them, but the kid in the electrical department at Home Despot just got confused.

I haven't needed them in years, now I just have to remember how to bend them.
You need a box with ears so it won't go into the hole. Set the box in the hole. Slip the long end of the clip into the space between the box and the drywall. Push it up and slip the short end in. Slide it back down and bend the tabs into the box.
 
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Thanks, that saves me a bit of fumbling with them until it makes sense.
 
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Old 03-05-04, 05:52 PM
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I know some oldtimers to call them battleships,LOL.
 
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Old 03-05-04, 08:15 PM
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drywall box?

can you use a remodeling [ drywall box]?
 
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I've not been able to find anyone who makes/stocks oldwork boxes with the proper mounting hole pattern. It has to use the screw pattern for a 4X4 and it must be 2-1/8 deep.
 
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Your problem may be similair to securing a support-bar for a ceiling fan that will installed in a finished ceiling. After the hole for the outlet-box has been cut, the support-bar is inserted in the hole and then is expanded until the bar grips the sides of the framing members.
 
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I have been considering one of those. Sometimes retrofitting life-safety gear into existing structures can be a real headache.
 
 

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