new GFI in front of plumbing??

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Old 03-16-06, 03:23 PM
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new GFI in front of plumbing??

Hi,

We are remodeling a bathroom in an old building.
We want to put a gfi outlet and junction box in the wall in front of a plumbing pipe.
Can there be a junction box with a steel plumbing pipe just behind it in the wall?

There is a flexable greenfield type lead currently, which is long enough to reach.
But it only has 2 wires. Any advice so this will pass when the city inspector comes
would be great.

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Old 03-16-06, 03:48 PM
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inside a wall?

> Can there be a junction box with a steel plumbing pipe just behind it in the wall?

If there is room for the box and the box is large enough, I suppose so.


> There is a flexible greenfield type lead currently, which is long enough to reach.

How long is it?
Do you have a photo for us to see?

Why is there Greenfield inside the wall? Or is this exposed wiring?
 
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If it is greenfield, you can likely pull a gree wire into it.
 
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Old 03-16-06, 05:30 PM
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Depending on how long it is, how it is installed, and why it is installed, perhaps no other ground is needed.
 
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Old 03-16-06, 07:36 PM
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rdid , the plumbing is not the issue, unless it is actually touching the boxes.

For clarification, do you want to install a j-box and a GFI receptacle? Or is the j-box for the GFI?

I assume this is a home (dwelling). If so, and this is a new GFI in the bath, then it must be a 20 amp circuit either dedicated to any bath receptacles or dedicated to just this bath.
If this is simply a close by circuit you are using to pick up this GFI then it will not pass any inspection.

If this is not a dwelling, first and foremost you should not be doing any electrical work there. Secondly there is no dedicated circuit requirement for non-residential bathroom receptacles, other than it must be GFI protected.
 
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new GFI in front of pipe

OK, I have 3 photos up to help describe my situation.

http://www.rvdstudio.com/electrical2.htm

The pics show the wall where the j-box will go, the existing wires,
and the things I purchased - a GFI outlet, juntion box and what they call a fixture whip.

I could replace the 2 wire flex cable with the 3 wire whip, but where would the
ground wire get connected?

Once the j-box is in place, there would be about 1.4" of space between the
pipe and the j-box. Is this OK?
The existing line is probably a 15 amp and I can not bring any more circuits
up through the conduits, there is no room. I would have to rewire the whole place.
We can't afford that right now.

Any advice please?
 
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You cannot tap the receptacle in the other room. This bathroom requires a dedicated 20 amp circuit, new from the panel, or it could possibly share a circuit from another bathroom, but only if that circuit is 20 amps dedicated to bathroom receptacles only.

What you are proposing is against code and will not pass inspection.
 
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Old 03-17-06, 03:31 PM
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How does adding a new circuit equate to rewiring the house???

You would not "add" wiring to that cable. That is cable by the way, not greenfield. It is AC/BX.

You have open walls. How hard is it to run a new circuit to this room?
This is the ONLY proper and legal way to install a receptacle in this bathroom.

The 1.4" is no problem at all.
 
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Old 03-17-06, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by racraft
You cannot tap the receptacle in the other room. This bathroom requires a dedicated 20 amp circuit, new from the panel, or it could possibly share a circuit from another bathroom, but only if that circuit is 20 amps dedicated to bathroom receptacles only.

What you are proposing is against code and will not pass inspection.
I see what you are saying, and what they did now.
The outlet you see to another room faces a small pantry.
It actually is part of the bathroom circuit. It comes from the light.
If you could explain to me how to wire the GFI up, I would
like to try before the inspecter comes. I learn this way.

Thx.
 
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I am not going to tell you how to wire up a code violation. You cannot tap this circuit. You need to run a new circuit. Period. End of discussion.
 
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Old 03-17-06, 10:55 PM
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What you need to do is open that receptacle in the pantry and disconnect the short piece of cable, the remove it and close up the hole and put the receptacle back in.

Then pull a new 20A cable from the panel to the bathroom.

Do yourself a favor and buy deeper/bigger boxes for your new work.
There is no reason to stuff a fat GFCI receptacle into such a skinny, shallow box.
 
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I will speak for other electricians 's behalf here and i did see the photo of the BX cable and try to run new outlet for bathroom well , i am sorry to break the news to you it will NOT pass the code at all .

I am master electrician and i do agree with other electricicans here and my expernice you will have to run new circuit please do not try to do anything illegal and inspector will cite ya fast.

if you have some question please do concat your local electricican they will know both NEC and state and Local code if they have it .

Merci, Marc
 
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Hey Marc, nice to see you here!
 
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