Bad wiring pratices

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Old 05-23-08, 05:01 PM
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Bad wiring pratices

I was visiting relatives this weekend and was going to put in a whole house water filter but then changed my mind after seeing this in the electrical box.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/P5211688.jpg

That's right no ground wires attached to anything.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/P5211689.jpg

The box and can light is covered by drywall and there is no cover on the box.

I did install a grounding wire and attached everything for them. The sad thing is they have two kids under the age of six living at the home.

BOB
 
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Old 05-23-08, 05:35 PM
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wow, that's impressive

The grounds are maybe the biggest item.
Unmarked neutral, unmarked hot (white), cable clamps overworked, are there mounting screws or just the pipe nipple keeping this box off the floor?

We could start a contest to spot defects, or sell the picture to a tech vocation class as an exam visual.

Is there a primary breaker upstream?
 
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I see:

On the breaker panel. The main is in that black box to the right. Probably 60A.

The breaker on the lower right needs to be a two pole. The MWBC circuits need at least linked, if not two pole.

Being that the panel is technically a subpanel, those grounds should not be connected to that right hand buss, but the one on the lower left.

In the other picture, I question that junction box in the ceiling.
 
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Box of worms

The black panel to the right is a 100amp throw.
Nothing is marked in the box.
The lower bar under the neutral bar is an extension of the neutral bar. A black wire connects the two.
They are all 20amp breakers but there are a few wires that are 14gauge.

I was there for two days so I did not have a chance to do
more. One other thing, no gfci receptacles in the house. Could not find a name on the panel neither.
 
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The bar on the lower left is supposed to be the ground, and the ones on the upper left and right the neutral. That black wire linking the neutral bus to the ground bus is illegal.

The feeders look awfully small for 100A.

I'd have to say that is a CH or Siemens panel and breakers.
 
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Old 05-24-08, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by classicsat View Post
I'd have to say that is a CH or Siemens panel and breakers.

It is an older Challenger breakers/panel . Which became Cutler Hammer BR now days.
 
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