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whole house UV light ballast repair

Hi I hope someone can help me? I have a UV ligth for the house and the ballast stop working so I took it apart and found out there was a small bulb (like a bulb from chirstmas lights) in the ballast that looks like they are using as a fuse.Tested the bulb and it is burned out and when I joined the wires without the bulb the UV light works. My quetion is were do I find that bulb or can I wire in a .3 amp fuse ? The ballast is made by articool BM250-1 Its 120v 50/60 hz .3amps Thanks Al
 
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Welcome to the forums! What is this UV light used for? Water purification?
 
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there was a small bulb (like a bulb from chirstmas lights) in the ballast that looks like they are using as a fuse.
Can you post a picture? http://www.doityourself.com/forum/el...your-post.html
 
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If this is a whole house water purification system, you could try the manufacturer for information. Check the link below.

Wyckomar | Water Purification Products - Contact Us
 

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Thanks and it is for the house water. Al
 
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I'm sorry tried for 3/4 of an hour and cant get it to work but it looks the same as the small christmas lights with the 2 little wires coming out the bottom
 
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I'm sorry tried for 3/4 of an hour and cant get it to work but it looks the same as the small christmas lights with the 2 little wires coming out the bottom
Do you mean you or having troubel putting in a picture?

I'd probably just do as you suggest and use an inline fuse holder and a standard fuse. You might want to use a slow blow (time delay) fuse because of the inductive load. Be sure the fuse holder is rated for greater then 120v.
 

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Does the board have anything printed on it to identify it as a fuse and its value. Even being 99% sure that is what it is, replacing it with something different than what was there has its risks.

Have you located a mfg web site and tried asking them?

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There is no board just the tranformer (which they are calling a ballast)and the bulb which I assume they are using as a fuse. The rating on the label is .3amps which I assume again is what the bulb was rated at. Al PS. The mfg just want to sell unit and not parts
 
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Yes about the picture. I'm thinking along the same way with the fuse holder and I like the time delay idea. Just got to find someone that sells a .3amp fuse. Al
 
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What is the amperage or wattage of the ballast. Should be a label on it.

This glass bulb is in series isn't it with one leg of the AC to the ballast, correct? It is NOT between the lamp holders, correct?
 
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Yes to the first and I'm going to try an inline fuse and see what I get. Al
 
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It is likely a starter. Does it look similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/General-03413-.../dp/B000UX5WUU
Does it have the numbers FG-1E on the bottom of the screw shell?
 
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No its not that . I tried a fuse and it burned out first try . Unhook the wires and mard each end with nothing on it and the lamb works!!! Dont make much sence to me . Why put the bulb on the wire ? When I put a chirstmas bulb on the wire as before the lamb will not come on all the way just looks like it is trying to start. Al
 
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It is likely a starter. Does it look similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/General-03413-.../dp/B000UX5WUU
Does it have the numbers FG-1E on the bottom of the screw shell?
Tolyn that was why I asked him if it was wired in series to one side of the AC in or between the tombstones. He said in series with one of the AC in lines. Not saying your wrong but in series with one of the AC in lines does not indicate starter to me.
 
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I'm going to say it's not a starter because the OP said he bypassed it and the light came on. The tube would just glow at the ends and not light with a shorted starter.

I also want to caution the OP that it is very dangerous to operate that tube outside of its housing, even just to test it. That is a clear (non-powdered) disinfection light, and the UV that comes out of it is very harmful to your eyes and skin. Prolonged exposure could actually (painlessly) burn your retinas and blind you. It's not like the special effects black lights with the dark purple powder inside which are safe to be exposed to.
 
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My neighbor had a hand in developing the UV water purification system. Sentry UltraViolet, Inc. Not an ad for them, just for information to possibly get part.
I'll go down tomorrow and ask if his uses a similar set up and what can be used for the "bulb".
 
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Thanks for the safety tip already new that but good to post for others. Al
 
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Wish I could figure out how to send the picture if one of you wants to give me there email I could foward it then you could post it as I have given it about an hour of my time with no results. Thanks Al
 
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Wish I could figure out how to send the picture if one of you wants to give me there email I could foward it then you could post it as I have given it about an hour of my time with no results. Thanks Al
Best sites to upload to are Photobucket and Imageshack. Have you tried uploading to one of those sites? Your photos are in the .jpg, .png, or .gif format aren't they? Please explain the exact problem and we can walk you through it or if you are not sure what is happening wrong tell us the exact steps you are taking. http://www.doityourself.com/forum/el...your-post.html
 
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Not that good at the computure and I dont like to and new programs. Here is my email and if you like emal me and I will send pictures after work. Thanks Al



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PM me at: http://www.doityourself.com/forum/pr...newpm&u=173257 and I'll give you an email addy to send it to.
 
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hi Al and guys –

I am an electrical ignoramus and I think most of what you guys are saying is going over my head. But I have a water purifying UV filter and have looked into others. Mine has leds (green/red) to tell me when the bulb has reached 10,000 hours and needs replacement. Normally the green is on but red comes on after 10,000 hours. You can push a reset on the board to get the green back on and reset the timer. Whether or not you change your UV bulb at that time is up to you, the ballast continues to operate in either case.

So you have indications that the ballast is working (green/red) and whether your bulb needs replacement(red). Shouldn’t Al’s UV system have some kind of similar indications? Was just wondering if that bulb (or whatever it is) has something to do with the kind of functions I mentioned above? If there is no visual/audible indication that the UV filter is working, seems to me you can be in big trouble! Al did not say how he detected that the system was not working.

If this is all nonsense , then ……never mind!
 
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It sounds more like a bi-metalic thermal protection switch that has burned out, I have seen them in the form of a glass bulb with wire leads on the end and they look alot like a miniture christmas light bulb only larger
 
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This sound like what it is . What is it purpose as the light works without it. Al
 
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It prevents the ballast from overheating.
 
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Where would I get a part like that? also I check the ballast and its not hot should I be running it ? Thanks Al
 
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Maybe like this?

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That is not it . It looks exactly like the small chirstmas light. Whish I new how to post picture. If anyone wants to email me I could send the picture and you can post it as I dont know why it wont work on this site. Thanks Al
 

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Al, does it look like this?
http://www.sensata.com/download/sb-esb.pdf

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Sorry about that. I did not read the other one
 
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Yes it does look like that . I sent the pictures to Ray I hope he will post them for me. Al
 
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This is the part for my uv light and like I said earlier it works without it.I unpluged the uv over the long weeken as I was away.When I returned I pluged the light back in and it would not start but when I touched the two ends of the wires that the part was on the bulb lit and then I taped the ends of the wire alone not hooked up. Dont know if that explains anything but I hope it helps. Also the wire that the small bulb hooks up too goes to the uv light and not the ballast. Thanks Al
 

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Read the description on the link above and you will see the component is a safety device. Somehow you need to select the proper value and replace it with something better than shorting it out, if I'm reading you correctly. Yes, the light may come on, but what is protecting you if it overheats?

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Bud are you talking about the other link you sent earlier? And how on earth would I find out what the proper value would be? Looks like I may have to buy a whole new unit. Thanks Al
 
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I thought I knew where you had it wired in but look at the diagram below. Is it at one of these, which letter, or is your wiring different.

 
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A is where it is located
 
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A is where it is located
That makes it a starter. There should be a wattage on the tube. Use that to determine the size.

Bud, isn't the site you posted thermal protectors not starters?
 
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