220 Radial Arm Saw

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Old 10-24-11, 03:50 PM
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220 Radial Arm Saw

Just want to make sure I'm wiring this correctly.
I need a 220 outlet for a radial arm saw. It's coming off a subpanel in the garage.
The saw is rated for 7 amps. It has a 3-Prong plug.
I was going to run 12/2 w/ground to a double pole 20amp breaker with the ground going to the ground bar in the subpanel.
Is this correct?
Also, when installing a double pole breaker, how do you check if it's on separate legs? Would the voltage between the two legs equal 220 or zero?

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Old 10-24-11, 03:55 PM
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Wiring with 12/2 is ok as long as the saw does not require a neutral for any electronics on it. Hook white and black to the double pole breaker and the ground to the grounding lug. You can't install a double breaker to where it is not properly positioned to pick up opposite legs. Voltage between the legs is supposed to be 240 volts. You will need a 240 volt receptacle and make sure the plug on the ras is configured for 240 volts as well.
 
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Old 10-24-11, 04:04 PM
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Hook white and black to the double pole breaker and the ground to the grounding lug.
Reidentify the white with black tape.

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You can't install a double breaker to where it is not properly positioned to pick up opposite legs.
Not entirely true. Some GE panels that use the THQP breakers, you can have a two pole breaker on one phase. If you do not have a GE panel then you have no worries.
 
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That would be a tandem configuration, not a two pole. THQPs are half inch breakers and for all intents and purposes serve the same purpose as tandems.

Maybe it should just be clarified that a 'double pole' breaker is one where the handles are tied together (or in the case of a QO panel, a two inch wide breaker with single handle)
 
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Thanks Guys,
Looks like I'm OK.
The saw has a 220 plug, with the prongs aligned sideways.
There are no electronics on the saw.

I'll identify the white as hot with black tape.

Thanks, Brian
 
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Old 10-24-11, 05:04 PM
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That would be a tandem configuration, not a two pole. THQPs are half inch breakers and for all intents and purposes serve the same purpose as tandems.

Maybe it should just be clarified that a 'double pole' breaker is one where the handles are tied together (or in the case of a QO panel, a two inch wide breaker with single handle)
Not quite. As TI indicated, it is possible to install a 2 pole type THQP GE breaker in a GE panel and not pick up both legs or 240 volts. By the way, a 2 pole Square D breaker is 1 1/2" wide.
 
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Old 10-24-11, 06:35 PM
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That would be a tandem configuration, not a two pole. THQPs are half inch breakers and for all intents and purposes serve the same purpose as tandems.
Here is the THQP I was referencing: Amazon.com: General Electric THQP215 Circuit Breaker, 2-Pole 15-Amp Thin Series: Sports & Outdoors It is a THQP two pole breaker. Note the handle tie. This could be installed (Improperly) on one phase in a GE panel.
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Ahh I see what you're saying. I didnt realize a handle-tied version existed.
 
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Thanks, Scott. Likewise, I was unaware there were half breakers with tied handles to occupy one space. Live and learn. We'll clarify, a normal sized breaker can't be installed to where it will only pick up one leg. Question....what would these be used for MWBC?
 
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Thanks, Scott. Likewise, I was unaware there were half breakers with tied handles to occupy one space. Live and learn. We'll clarify, a normal sized breaker can't be installed to where it will only pick up one leg. Question....what would these be used for MWBC?
They can be used for a MWBC or for (in the case of the linked example) a 15 amp 240 volt application such as an electric heater. The 2 pole type THQP (thin) breakers are available through 50 amps as far as I know. In other words,they could be used for an electric water heater, central a-c unit, electric range, electric dryer, etc. That being said, I don't like them and wouldn't recommend using them, especially in aluminum bus GE loadcenters. They are, however, U.L. Listed.
 
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