HVAC min. circuit ampacity v. older wire
#1
HVAC min. circuit ampacity v. older wire
Hello NEC readers,
A contractor recently replaced my HVAC. Whenever the condenser starts up, the 30A 2-pole breaker buzzes momentarily. Twice in many weeks the breaker has tripped.
The name plate on the condenser lists "Min. Circuit Ampacity" as 29.3 and "Maximum Fuse or Circuit Breaker" as 50. There is a good article from 2000 on HVAC overcurrent protection on the web at...
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]www.iaei.org/magazine/2000/07/overcurrent-protection-for-air-conditioning-and-refrigeration-equipment/[/SIZE][/SIZE]
About five pages into the article, the section "Branch Circuit Requirements" addresses my concerns. I have been going back and forth in the local NEC to figure out the capacity of my #10 AWG in this situation.
My house wiring is about 32 years old. The #10 wires (and all the wires in my panel) have no markings on them. I figure at best they are type TW. So I am using the 60 degC column in Table 310.16 to determine that the maximum amps for my #10 wire is 30A. When I de-rate this using the correction factors at the bottom of the table for 87 - 104 degF, I calculate the maximum safe current is 26.4A - 28.2A.
Bottom line, I do not think the HVAC wiring is code-compliant as it is installed.
To meet code I believe that the conductors need to be type THHW or THHN #10 or preferably #8. I also believe that I cannot go higher than the 75 degC column because the breaker is only rated for 75 degC., and that the breaker should be raised to 40A.
Is my analysis correct, or am I splitting hairs here?
Does the scope of a mechanical permit pulled by an HVAC contractor require that the electrical hook-up meet code requirements?
Comments appreciated.
Thanks,
Lynnx
A contractor recently replaced my HVAC. Whenever the condenser starts up, the 30A 2-pole breaker buzzes momentarily. Twice in many weeks the breaker has tripped.
The name plate on the condenser lists "Min. Circuit Ampacity" as 29.3 and "Maximum Fuse or Circuit Breaker" as 50. There is a good article from 2000 on HVAC overcurrent protection on the web at...
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]www.iaei.org/magazine/2000/07/overcurrent-protection-for-air-conditioning-and-refrigeration-equipment/[/SIZE][/SIZE]
About five pages into the article, the section "Branch Circuit Requirements" addresses my concerns. I have been going back and forth in the local NEC to figure out the capacity of my #10 AWG in this situation.
My house wiring is about 32 years old. The #10 wires (and all the wires in my panel) have no markings on them. I figure at best they are type TW. So I am using the 60 degC column in Table 310.16 to determine that the maximum amps for my #10 wire is 30A. When I de-rate this using the correction factors at the bottom of the table for 87 - 104 degF, I calculate the maximum safe current is 26.4A - 28.2A.
Bottom line, I do not think the HVAC wiring is code-compliant as it is installed.
To meet code I believe that the conductors need to be type THHW or THHN #10 or preferably #8. I also believe that I cannot go higher than the 75 degC column because the breaker is only rated for 75 degC., and that the breaker should be raised to 40A.
Is my analysis correct, or am I splitting hairs here?
Does the scope of a mechanical permit pulled by an HVAC contractor require that the electrical hook-up meet code requirements?
Comments appreciated.
Thanks,
Lynnx
#2
You probably have NM wiring with 60 degree insulation. NM-B started around 1984 and has 90 degree insulation.
Why do you feel you need to derate for temperature?
You can change the breaker to a 2 pole 50.
Why do you feel you need to derate for temperature?
You can change the breaker to a 2 pole 50.
#4
I do not think the HVAC wiring is code-compliant as it is installed.
The condensing unit nameplate lists 29.3A as the minimum circuit ampacity and 50A as the maximum overcurrent protection. The branch circuit meets the manufacturer's specifications.
Given that
Whenever the condenser starts up, the 30A 2-pole breaker buzzes momentarily. Twice in many weeks the breaker has tripped,
Question: Is the service disconnect for the condensing unit fused or unfused? If it is fused, what is the rating of the fuses (or the breaker)?
#5
All circuit wiring is individual conductors pulled through EMT. That's why I guessed TW rather than NM. Either way it's the same 60 degC temp rating.
The current-carrying capacity of a conductor is reduced at higher temperatures. When calculating the maximum ampacity of a conductor, Table 310.16 in Article 310.15 normally requires correcting for ambient temperature.
However, I do not know all the considerations that go into the manufacturer's specification of "Minimum Circuit Ampacity". Maybe I do not need to correct for temperature in this situation. I don't know. I am hoping someone in this forum will know for sure.
Isn't a 50A breaker on a #10 circuit pretty high?
Lynnx
The current-carrying capacity of a conductor is reduced at higher temperatures. When calculating the maximum ampacity of a conductor, Table 310.16 in Article 310.15 normally requires correcting for ambient temperature.
However, I do not know all the considerations that go into the manufacturer's specification of "Minimum Circuit Ampacity". Maybe I do not need to correct for temperature in this situation. I don't know. I am hoping someone in this forum will know for sure.
Isn't a 50A breaker on a #10 circuit pretty high?
Lynnx
#7
Isn't a 50A breaker on a #10 circuit pretty high?
The current-carrying capacity of a conductor is reduced at higher temperatures. When calculating the maximum ampacity of a conductor, Table 310.16 in Article 310.15 normally requires correcting for ambient temperature.