Is # 12 wire going to be needed in bedroom outlets?

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Old 09-30-12, 08:27 PM
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Is # 12 wire going to be needed in bedroom outlets?

I'm re-wiring up a bedroom. A friend tells me that there is talk of requiring 20 amp limes in bedroom outlets.Is this true?

On a side note, will a line with a 15 amp arc-fault attached actually allow 15 amps to go through it?
 
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Old 09-30-12, 08:55 PM
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There is no NEC rule for 20 amp bedroom receptacle circuits. If you want to add 1/3 more capacity for just a little more cost of the wire you can.

A breaker will allow its rated value to flow through it. In fact it will hold more than its value for many hours depending on how quickly it reaches that value. You can check "breaker trip curves" to see this.
 
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Old 10-01-12, 07:25 AM
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Even if this were true, current code is 15 amp and you will not be required to rewire just because the code changed down the road.

However, as PCBoss said, you can go ahead and do this if you wish for not a lot of extra cost.
 
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Old 10-01-12, 05:34 PM
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It's not required, but I prefer to use #12 for everything.
 
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Old 10-02-12, 12:11 AM
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For a bedroom with some lights and a clock #12 is overkill. However, plug in a heater or a window A/C unit, or put a vanity in the bedroom where hair will be styled and #12 would sure come in handy.
 
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Old 10-02-12, 12:24 AM
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True but best practice a heater or AC should be on a dedicated circuit.
 
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Old 10-02-12, 05:38 AM
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I hate working with 12 ga, it's such a pain bending that stuff around the screws on receptacles. Plus, I think it can lead to confusion down the road to use 12 ga wire on a 15 amp circuit.
 
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Old 10-02-12, 06:17 AM
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I don't know why anyone would install the #12 and then limit it to 15 amps.

Mitch, some stripper have a small hole in them for forming the loops to go around the screws. Insert the wire into the hole and roll the stripper using wrist action. Practice on some scrap wire and you will have it down in no time.
 
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Looks like I have justification to go get a new wire stripper
 
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Old 10-02-12, 07:56 AM
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I like this style for NM work. You can cut the jacket off with one squeeze.

Reflex™ Super 12/2 & 14/2 NM Cable T®-Stripper Wire Stripper
 
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Cool - thanks
 
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I like the same style for working with NM. The particular one I carry is the Klein-Kurve® Dual NM Cable Stripper/Cutter.

I prefer it over the Ideal T-Stripper that pcboss linked to because it has less curve, a positive lock for keeping it closed in my bag or hip pocket, and a built in cutters for the two sizes of machine screws that are most commonly used with devices and boxes - 6-32 and 8-32. Plus it's a Klein. But I think it's mostly a matter of taste and perceived hand comfort. Either one should do what you need.
 
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I have a GB like this, have to see if I can find it and see whether it has the looping holes - I'm betting it does and I just previously did not know what they were for and thus did not really notice them.

I thank you for the lesson, gentlemen.
 
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I have a GB like this, have to see if I can find it and see whether it has the looping holes -
If it's their GES-224, I'll bet it does!

You're welcome, anytime.
 
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Best guess is I have the GS 360, so I should be good already.
 
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Thanks for the info eveyone.
 
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Best guess is I have the GS 360, so I should be good already.
Oh, OK, I thought you were looking for one made to work with Type NM.
 
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Thanks for the info eveyone.
I hope that means you learned what you needed in spite of all the cross-talk!
 
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Old 10-02-12, 03:46 PM
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I have always liked Klein tools too. Actually, I prefer using this one.

Klein Tools Stainless-Steel Beverage Tool 98002BT at The Home Depot
 
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I have always liked Klein tools too. Actually, I prefer using this one.

Klein Tools Stainless-Steel Beverage Tool 98002BT at The Home Depot
So do I! Beer:30 to you too!

Not only do I own and use one of those, I have long since lost track of how many of them I have given to my crew members and other friends over the years,
 
 

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