Supported box for fan
#1
01-02-14, 02:14 PM
Supported box for fan
Im trying to figure out if the ceiling box that a fan is installed on is properly supported.
It looks like a standard octagon ceiling box but there is some kind of nipple in the center. Im guessing this is the support? I cant gain access to the outside of the box to see what it might be connected too.
What type of box do I likely have here?
It looks like a standard octagon ceiling box but there is some kind of nipple in the center. Im guessing this is the support? I cant gain access to the outside of the box to see what it might be connected too.
What type of box do I likely have here?
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#2
01-02-14, 02:57 PM
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Maybe one like this. Kind of depends on the age of the installation. There are some old boxes with fixture studs. There are several different styles of fan boxes depending on how they are mounted to the structure. Some mount onto the ceiling joist, some use a bar-hanger so box is supported between the joists. A picture may help someone identify your ceiling box more clearly.
#3
01-02-14, 03:10 PM
Unfortuently I don't have a camera.
The ceiling box is probably almost 60 years old. If that may help. I assume its not something like the deep box with hanger in your photo.
Thanks for posting though.
The ceiling box is probably almost 60 years old. If that may help. I assume its not something like the deep box with hanger in your photo.
Thanks for posting though.
#4
01-02-14, 03:13 PM
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Easy to tell if your box is rated for a ceiling fan is by the screws. Standard box will use 8-32 screws. A fan box will use 10-32 screws.
From what you describe is sounds like your is an older style box with a fixture nipple. Especially if it is 60 years old.
From what you describe is sounds like your is an older style box with a fixture nipple. Especially if it is 60 years old.
#5
01-02-14, 04:26 PM
If it has a fixture nipple its likely supported?
Unforetuently everything is covered with blown in insulation on top so I cant really see how or if its supported for a fan.
When you mention the screw size that's the size of holes in the box to attach a device/cover too right? In my case it looks like its been tapped larger or at least larger type screws were used in a pinch.
Unforetuently everything is covered with blown in insulation on top so I cant really see how or if its supported for a fan.
When you mention the screw size that's the size of holes in the box to attach a device/cover too right? In my case it looks like its been tapped larger or at least larger type screws were used in a pinch.
#6
01-02-14, 05:12 PM
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When you mention the screw size that's the size of holes in the box to attach a device/cover too right?
#7
01-02-14, 05:32 PM
The ceiling box is probably almost 60 years old.
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01-02-14, 05:33 PM
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Wouldn't that be 10-24?
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The real test is this: a fan-rated box should accept 10-24 screws for fixture support; a standard box, not manufactured to support a fan or chandelier, will only accept 8-32 screws.
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#11
01-03-14, 11:17 AM
I got up in the attic and couldn't get as close as I would have liked but there is large 1x material that is above the box that runs perpendicular to the joists. I thought it might just be a plank to walk on but its firmly attached to the joists and I couldn't tell for certain but the conduit or box (hopefully) is attached to it.
I noticed the same configuration above a box that has another fan. Im hoping this is secure.
Do you think I should make an issue of this? All this was here before me.... The fan in place is newish and has been mounted for at least 3 years and I am assuming there was another fan there for many years before that.....
What type of support have you seen for old boxes on the job?
I noticed the same configuration above a box that has another fan. Im hoping this is secure.
Do you think I should make an issue of this? All this was here before me.... The fan in place is newish and has been mounted for at least 3 years and I am assuming there was another fan there for many years before that.....
What type of support have you seen for old boxes on the job?
#15
01-03-14, 12:30 PM
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What type of support have you seen for old boxes on the job?
If there is a 1x above the existing box I would remove the existing box, add any wood needed to bring it down to the proper level, and then install a box that is rated for a fan. There is many types out there, I have found that a Menard's (since I see you are in IN) has a few more options then the other big boxes but if they don't have what you want, try the other guys.
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