Not your typical 3-Way switch question
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Not your typical 3-Way switch question
* note switches are working, I want to replace one of them for cosmetic reasons.
One switch has two orange travelers (I presume) and a red wire. These are the only wires in the box.
The other switch {the one I want to replace) has two orange wires and a yellow. There is a second yellow wire inserted into a backstab. Theres also a white wire passing thru this box.
Does this mean that the yellow wire might be the hot passing thru the the switch instead of pigtailed? Should I go ahead and pigtail it and replace the switch like that?
One switch has two orange travelers (I presume) and a red wire. These are the only wires in the box.
The other switch {the one I want to replace) has two orange wires and a yellow. There is a second yellow wire inserted into a backstab. Theres also a white wire passing thru this box.
Does this mean that the yellow wire might be the hot passing thru the the switch instead of pigtailed? Should I go ahead and pigtail it and replace the switch like that?
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Always pigtail if possible. Never use the back stabs. They are less reliable and if the next person is a newbie he may not understand the significance of keeping the two wires together.
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One backstab hole goes with each screw, the screw nearest it.
The backstab hole is usually nearer the corner of the switch (or receptacle) body.
So you would remove the yellow wire from the backstab hole, remove the wire from the nearest screw, cut a black* pigtail, and wire nut these three ends together. Connect the other end of the pigtail to the screw just vacated.
* Not white. Hot wires may be any color other than green or white.
The backstab hole is usually nearer the corner of the switch (or receptacle) body.
So you would remove the yellow wire from the backstab hole, remove the wire from the nearest screw, cut a black* pigtail, and wire nut these three ends together. Connect the other end of the pigtail to the screw just vacated.
* Not white. Hot wires may be any color other than green or white.
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So does it sound like someone used the backstab for power in/power out instead of pigtailing?
Im confused that if it is power in / power out, wouldn't that be intermittent/switched when its toggled?
Im confused that if it is power in / power out, wouldn't that be intermittent/switched when its toggled?
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I can understand that chandler, but I don't have a camera.
Its kind of straightforward though isn't it (albeit confusing enough for me to post).....
3W switch A has 2 oranges (travelers) and a red.
3W switch B has 2 oranges (travelers) and a yellow + another yellow backstabbed.
I haven't had a chance to take it all apart and test but I assume one yellow is power in and the other is power out.
Pigtail right?
What could I be missing here?
Its kind of straightforward though isn't it (albeit confusing enough for me to post).....
3W switch A has 2 oranges (travelers) and a red.
3W switch B has 2 oranges (travelers) and a yellow + another yellow backstabbed.
I haven't had a chance to take it all apart and test but I assume one yellow is power in and the other is power out.
Pigtail right?
What could I be missing here?
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3W switch B has 2 oranges (travelers) and a yellow + another yellow backstabbed.
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thanks. I believe it only had 3 screws and its backstabbed next to other yellow. This switch is 50 years old so there is no color coordination to the screws.
However, if its a 4 way switch as you suggest then the other yellow should be on the 4th terminal. I don't think that's the case though.
Also I doubt its a 4way since there is not a 3rd switch controlling this light in the equation. This controls a ceiling fan/light combo... I assume that the motor and light are connected at the ceiling box so its not something screwy there.
What happens If the backstabbed yellow is not paired on the same terminal with the other yellow and instead is with one of the oranges (presumed travelers).?
Also was it or is it common to pigtail the feed on a 3 way? I am only ever used to seeing the standard 3 wires to a 3W.
However, if its a 4 way switch as you suggest then the other yellow should be on the 4th terminal. I don't think that's the case though.
Also I doubt its a 4way since there is not a 3rd switch controlling this light in the equation. This controls a ceiling fan/light combo... I assume that the motor and light are connected at the ceiling box so its not something screwy there.
What happens If the backstabbed yellow is not paired on the same terminal with the other yellow and instead is with one of the oranges (presumed travelers).?
Also was it or is it common to pigtail the feed on a 3 way? I am only ever used to seeing the standard 3 wires to a 3W.
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This switch is 50 years old so there is no color coordination to the screws.
What happens If the backstabbed yellow is not paired on the same terminal with the other yellow and instead is with one of the oranges (presumed travelers).?
Also was it or is it common to pigtail the feed on a 3 way? I am only ever used to seeing the standard 3 wires to a 3W.
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One switch has two orange travelers (I presume) and a red wire. These are the only wires in the box.
The other switch {the one I want to replace) has two orange wires and a yellow. There is a second yellow wire inserted into a backstab. Theres also a white wire passing thru this box.
The other switch {the one I want to replace) has two orange wires and a yellow. There is a second yellow wire inserted into a backstab. Theres also a white wire passing thru this box.
The common terminal should be identified with a dark-colored screw. The two traveler terminals are usually bright brass.
It sounds like the two yellow wires are power in and power out to some unswitched load and should be pigtailed together. If they are connected to the common terminal on that switch, and if the two white neutrals are running with them, that is almost certainly the case.
Im confused that if it is power in / power out, wouldn't that be intermittent/switched when its toggled?
Power that is spliced before (or as) it powers a switch - any switch - is unaffected by the switch. The switch, by definition, changes the relationship of that incoming power to the load connected to the other end of the switch.
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Hi- Thank you Pinkpather and Garfield (and the other guys too) for your thorough responses.
I swapped out the switch today and all seems to be working. It was indeed a 3 way switch, the yellows shared the common. I double checked for continuity before taking it apart.
I pigtailed the power in/power out (tight squeeze in switch box) and put in a new switch.
The old one, a 50+ year old Hubble, served well (in the kitchen entrance none the less, high traffic). Its still works too, going to throw it in my junk box in the garage.
Thanks again.
p.s.- It was likely my kitchen outlets (fridge and countertops) was being fed thru that switch backstab.
I swapped out the switch today and all seems to be working. It was indeed a 3 way switch, the yellows shared the common. I double checked for continuity before taking it apart.
I pigtailed the power in/power out (tight squeeze in switch box) and put in a new switch.
The old one, a 50+ year old Hubble, served well (in the kitchen entrance none the less, high traffic). Its still works too, going to throw it in my junk box in the garage.
Thanks again.
p.s.- It was likely my kitchen outlets (fridge and countertops) was being fed thru that switch backstab.
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Yes , it sounds like the 2 yellows are the hots .
It is not a 4 way , those have 4 screw terminals .
Yes , pigtail the 2 yellows & tie that wire to the new switch .
The new switch should have one screw terminal , one color ( tie the pig tail to that one ) . Two other screw terminals to the 2 traveler wires ( orange ) .
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It is not a 4 way , those have 4 screw terminals .
Yes , pigtail the 2 yellows & tie that wire to the new switch .
The new switch should have one screw terminal , one color ( tie the pig tail to that one ) . Two other screw terminals to the 2 traveler wires ( orange ) .
God bless
Wyr