New Service but new circuits too!

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Old 02-20-14, 10:05 AM
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New Service but new circuits too!

We were throwing around the idea of beefing up to 200A service. I know putting a new service into a home with old wiring isn't neccesarily a fix. We have old TW wire throughout and some circuits that need attention. We could never afford a complete rewire though so I am not sure how to go about this.

Im thinking a new service would cost us in the range of 1000-1500 in our area but I am sure the sky is the limit from there actually getting new circuits ran. We are kind of overwhelmed to say the least.

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Old 02-20-14, 02:17 PM
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ANother thing I was thinking, if work is being inspected then I assume circuits have to be brought up to code too right?

Is it silly to put a new panel and keep all old wiring connected to it? Or would I rewire up to the homeruns or junctions and then rewire each room as money allows?
 
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Old 02-20-14, 06:16 PM
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Is it silly to put a new panel and keep all old wiring connected to it?
Not at all silly, that's very commonly done. Can you post some pictures of the service, meter socket and riser and of the service panel with the cover removed. Some closeups and some from further away would be nice.
 
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I had one guy here for an estimate, and he is suggesting that since he would be replacing the meter socket and the panel that the rest of the house has to be brought up to code. That the inspector would demand it?

This is a 60 year old house. If that is the case, how would I ever be able to get this done?

I showed this guy a handful of code violations I had including some stuff in the current panel. After he tried to sell me a complete rewire, I think he sensed I was being standoffish after that... what would happen if this knucklehead turned my address into the towns electrical inspector... could I be forced into allow the inspector into my house?
 
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I had one guy here for an estimate, and he is suggesting that since he would be replacing the meter socket and the panel that the rest of the house has to be brought up to code. That the inspector would demand it?
That would be a bit unusual. Normally the existing circuits are grandfathered, but each AHJ can have it's own rules and requirments. Why not call them yourself and ask.



I showed this guy a handful of code violations I had including some stuff in the current panel. After he tried to sell me a complete rewire, I think he sensed I was being standoffish after that... what would happen if this knucklehead turned my address into the towns electrical inspector... could I be forced into allow the inspector into my house?
I doubt seriously the inspector would ever show up, what you have is all existing and couldn't be expected to meet today's current codes. I'd call someone else.
 
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I'll keep looking... the way the guy was talking to my husband actually made us both think he was going to inform the AHJ that my house had all sorts of violations..... made us feel like we were doing some illegal!!!

Generally though, could someone rat someone out to a AHJ and then end up being forced to let an inspector into the house or otherwise get fined?
 
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I'll keep looking... the way the guy was talking to my husband actually made us both think he was going to inform the AHJ that my house had all sorts of violations..... made us feel like we were doing some illegal!!!
I'd never hire someone like that to work in my home.

Generally though, could someone rat someone out to a AHJ and then end up being forced to let an inspector into the house or otherwise get fined?
Possibly, depending on the local ordinances, but it's doubtful in my opinion. If he had seen recently completed substandard work that was done without a permit it might be an entirely different situation.
 
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Possibly, depending on the local ordinances, but it's doubtful in my opinion. If he had seen recently completed substandard work that was done without a permit it might be an entirely different situation.
Are you serious? So some yokle AHJ can come to my door and force his way into the house wanting to look at my plumbing or electrical? He must also be the Gestapo.

And say this happened and I refused, I should be worried he can issue me a fine? This sounds crazy, like Russia.
 
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Old 02-22-14, 08:46 AM
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Are you serious? So some yokle AHJ can come to my door and force his way into the house wanting to look at my plumbing or electrical? He must also be the Gestapo.

And say this happened and I refused, I should be worried he can issue me a fine? This sounds crazy, like Russia.
Yes, very serious. If he had seen recently installed substandard work and reported it, it's not rocket science for the AHJ to check and see if any permits had been issued for work at your address. In my area it is known that inspectors watch for old water heaters at the curb to be picked up by the local trash haulers. When they see one, they check to see if a permit had been issued for a water heater replacement at that address. If not, they go further and take action, fines are levied, etc, etc. You may think it sounds crazy, but if no permit was issued, it's an illegal installation as the codes are adopted by city ordinance or in some cases, by state law.
 
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We had a new furnace installed by a reputable HVAC installer in town. Nobody every spoke about permit (theinstaller I assume took care of it) but there was no work order on my front door nor was the installation every inspected.

Is a new furnace something that the AHJ would come out for?
 
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Old 02-22-14, 09:13 AM
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Is a new furnace something that the AHJ would come out for?
I don't know about your area, but here a permit and inspection would be necessary.
 
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When I had my furnace replaced I specifically asked each bidder about the necessity of permits and stated that the bid price would include the permit cost. Every one stated that a permit was required but the one company that I chose (for different reasons) was up front and told me they rarely got permits in my city because the inspector was "biased" (as nice as I could write it for a family forum ) against them and demanded all sorts of things that they did not require from other companies. That was in 2006 and I haven't been bothered by any city officials yet.
 
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