MidWest box for Jacuzzi brand spa/hot tub
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MidWest box for Jacuzzi brand spa/hot tub
Hello,
I'm pretty sure some kind of AC disconnect goes in the space in the photo. It should be about 3 1/8" x 2 1/5". The spa is Jacuzzi brand. I posted a couple of pics.
Does anyone knows exactly which disconnect this box needs?
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I'm pretty sure some kind of AC disconnect goes in the space in the photo. It should be about 3 1/8" x 2 1/5". The spa is Jacuzzi brand. I posted a couple of pics.
Does anyone knows exactly which disconnect this box needs?
Thank you
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It may be easier to install a new pullout disconnect vs finding the part you need. Also the NM cable on the left is not kosher. It cannot be used outside.
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NM cable, do you mean the red one on the extreme left? This was here when I move in. The SPA is at least 7 years old, maybe more. You are saying this is not properly wired for outside.
I found the replacement: Midwest U065F1 Fusible Disconnect; 240 Volt, 60 Amp, 10 Kilo-Amp, 1 Phase (Midwest U065F1 Fusible Disconnect; 240 Volt, 60 Amp, 10 Kilo-Amp, 1 Phase - Crescent Electric Supply Company)
Should I replace it with something like a 60 Amp GFI Spa Panel (GE 60 Amp GFI Spa Panel-UG412RMW260P at The Home Depot
I don't guess that would be to difficult as all the wires are pulled. I just have to make sure the box fits.
I found the replacement: Midwest U065F1 Fusible Disconnect; 240 Volt, 60 Amp, 10 Kilo-Amp, 1 Phase (Midwest U065F1 Fusible Disconnect; 240 Volt, 60 Amp, 10 Kilo-Amp, 1 Phase - Crescent Electric Supply Company)
Should I replace it with something like a 60 Amp GFI Spa Panel (GE 60 Amp GFI Spa Panel-UG412RMW260P at The Home Depot
I don't guess that would be to difficult as all the wires are pulled. I just have to make sure the box fits.
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do you mean the red one on the extreme left
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What is in place
The Midwest U065F1 Fusible Disconnect; 240 Volt, 60 Amp, 10 Kilo-Amp, 1 Phase, in the photo is what's in place.
I have no idea who originally wired the spa, but apparently it worked for years.
I just want to do it right, and get it over with. The photo is what's in place right now. That is how it is wired at present.
The question is, if it needs to be replaced, what with, and if the red wire is not accurate, how to correct it, the same for the white wire?
I really appreciate your help, thank you!
I have no idea who originally wired the spa, but apparently it worked for years.
I just want to do it right, and get it over with. The photo is what's in place right now. That is how it is wired at present.
The question is, if it needs to be replaced, what with, and if the red wire is not accurate, how to correct it, the same for the white wire?
I really appreciate your help, thank you!
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It is not the red wire as I said in the previous post. It is the white cable. Where does that cable come from? If it came directly into the back of the box from inside the house it wouldn't need to be changed but it seems to be in conduit running on the outside of the house. That is wrong.
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You are right
It does go to the spa.
I think you are saying it is wired incorrectly?
Someone used that cable straight from the spa to the box. When you say replaced, do you mean I need to fish different wire to the spa?
I think you are saying it is wired incorrectly?
Someone used that cable straight from the spa to the box. When you say replaced, do you mean I need to fish different wire to the spa?
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Do I use a disconnect or gcfi?
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The wire you see going to the box comes directly from the spa. The control panel (on and off switch) is on the spa, but I can not see that without going beneath the spa (if I have to rewire, I know I will have to get beneath the spa).
The wire is really thick. It is the same guage as the white wire that protrudes from a 60 amp GFCI breaker.
The wire is really thick. It is the same guage as the white wire that protrudes from a 60 amp GFCI breaker.
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The Jacuzzi shares 2 50 amp 240V breakers with the A/C
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He has a quad style 50A breaker. You need to install a GFCI disconnect at the spa, and get rid of the NM cable in the conduit.
Something like this: Square D #QOE250GFINM QO60A Enclosure SpaPack - Faucet Trim Kits - Amazon.com
Edit: Why did the link pop up as "Robot Check"?
Something like this: Square D #QOE250GFINM QO60A Enclosure SpaPack - Faucet Trim Kits - Amazon.com
Edit: Why did the link pop up as "Robot Check"?
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You have a quad breaker so the Spa is not connected to the A/C breaker as you first wrote. I suggest you get an electrician that is familiar with Spas to fix your problem. With Spas the life safety factor is critical and needs to be done by some one knowledgeable.
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The links I used were for Home depot and an electric supply store. You spyware/adware protection must be very sensitive.
What is wrong with the NM cable in the conduit or is it the conduit itself?
What is wrong with the NM cable in the conduit or is it the conduit itself?
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I am beginning to see that. I was hoping it was just a matter of replacing the disconnect, but... One last thing, from the info I provided, what should I expect an electrician to propose?
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Got it. The people that owned the house before me said it worked at one time, they got an estimate of $500 to fix it, and decided not to.
When I looked in the box (where the disconnect was) it was just like the picture, so it has never had power, since I've lived here.
When I looked in the box (where the disconnect was) it was just like the picture, so it has never had power, since I've lived here.
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You could spend a lot of effort and time wiring it correctly and still not have a working Spa. I'd jerry-rig power to it just to see if it works but I'm NOT recommending you do that. You just aren't at that skill level. Best I can suggest is get the Spa evaluated by a Spa repair company. See if it is worth fixing.
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I did that, they need power to figure out what, if anything, is wrong, but they did say the spa was worth fixing unless the motor was burned out or something. I was thinking of just replacing the disconnect to see if it works. It's been there wired like that for years, and it did work at some point. Do you think that could do more harm than good?
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Yes....you could change just the service disconnect. They are inexpensive and you could just replace it in order to test the spa.
It is our job to point out things that are incorrect and how to make improvements.
The white cable they used outside is not water and sunlight resistant and with age starts cracking and falling apart. You can change the line from the disconnect to the spa with a pre-made flex whip like shown above.
A GFI spa panel was probably not required by code when your unit was installed. If it turns out the Jacuzzi is ok then I would highly recommend upgrading your disconnect as a GFI is a life safety issue item
It is our job to point out things that are incorrect and how to make improvements.
The white cable they used outside is not water and sunlight resistant and with age starts cracking and falling apart. You can change the line from the disconnect to the spa with a pre-made flex whip like shown above.
A GFI spa panel was probably not required by code when your unit was installed. If it turns out the Jacuzzi is ok then I would highly recommend upgrading your disconnect as a GFI is a life safety issue item
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Re a disconnect: From a previous post: Example: GE 60-Amp 240-Volt Non-Fuse Metallic AC Disconnect-TFN60RCP at The Home Depot For testing the NM-b is okay but must be replaced if the spa is to be used.
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Are you saying I should change the disconnect to the GE the link points to for testing, but if the spa going to be used, I need to replace the existing wire with sealtite conduit or something similar with wires you recommended? I was thinking: AFC Cable Systems 1/2 in. x 25 ft. Non-Metallic Liquidtight Conduit-6002-22-00 at The Home Depot
Southwire 6 Stranded THHN White (By-the-Foot)-20494199 at The Home Depot (red and black as well).
Southwire 10 Stranded THHN Green (By-the-Foot)-22977399 at The Home Depot
You also recommend, if the SPA actually does work using the disconnect, to replace the disconnect with GFI?
If so, would this be acceptable GE 60 Amp GFI Spa Panel-UG412RMW260P at The Home Depot ?
I posted the photos so you could see the existing conduit (second photo shows conduit along wall painted).
Southwire 6 Stranded THHN White (By-the-Foot)-20494199 at The Home Depot (red and black as well).
Southwire 10 Stranded THHN Green (By-the-Foot)-22977399 at The Home Depot
You also recommend, if the SPA actually does work using the disconnect, to replace the disconnect with GFI?
If so, would this be acceptable GE 60 Amp GFI Spa Panel-UG412RMW260P at The Home Depot ?
I posted the photos so you could see the existing conduit (second photo shows conduit along wall painted).
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Does your current Spa panel have a GFCI? For testing purposes any cheap non-fused 60 amp disconnect is okay. Why spend $70 on a disconnect if the Spa may turn out to be a dud. If you have a Spa panel with GFCI of course that is moot. Do you have a GFCI at the Spa?
Just a note: The alleged Spa experts you had out should have been able to rig temporary power for testing with out a disconnect so you might want to look for someone else to check it.
Just a note: The alleged Spa experts you had out should have been able to rig temporary power for testing with out a disconnect so you might want to look for someone else to check it.
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The panel in the photo is the only panel (says Jacuzzi on it) on the spa. The disconnect (the midwest box) is about 10 feet from the spa, so I feel pretty safe saying there is no GFCI at the spa.
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The bare ground is incorrect. It needs to be insulated.
You will not fit 3 or 4 #6 in a 1/2" conduit.
You will not fit 3 or 4 #6 in a 1/2" conduit.
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Are the #6 bigger than the wire already there (they look about that size)? I was thinking of using the existing wire to fish through the 3 #6's and 1 #10? I have to try before I go digging up the existing conduit, which looks to be water proof).
If it doesn't work, then onto plan y...
If it doesn't work, then onto plan y...
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½" PVC conduit is only rated for two #6 so no way if it is ½".
No conduit is considered water tight.All will fill with water eventually.
conduit, which looks to be water proof
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The easiest thing to do is to replace the Midwest disconnect box with a spa panel that comes with the 50A GFCI breaker, they are available at big box stores and satisfy both disconnect and GFCI protection requirements. Then, install the proper wiring to the spa.
Midwest Electric Products 50 Amp 240-Volt 240-Watt Non-Fuse Metallic Spa Panel Disconnect with GFI-UG412RMW250P at The Home Depot
Midwest Electric Products 50 Amp 240-Volt 240-Watt Non-Fuse Metallic Spa Panel Disconnect with GFI-UG412RMW250P at The Home Depot