outdoor outlet - mount on deck frame or house, with pics

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Old 08-31-14, 09:35 AM
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outdoor outlet - mount on deck frame or house, with pics

Wondering which would be the best way to go about this, option 1 on house or option 2 (on deck)?

The deck frame as shown is about 18" above the ground

Thanks in advance, Mike

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Old 08-31-14, 11:10 AM
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I would not cut a hole that large in the band board and that would be the wrong style to mount flush anyway. If you are going to surface mount the box just drill a hole and come into the back of the box shown.
 
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Old 08-31-14, 11:30 AM
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Thanks for the help. What I was thinking (for option one house mounting) was I would cut a square hole in the siding only and surface mount it to the baseboard (Is the band board what is just above the foundation?)

For option number one I also wasn't sure if there was a requirement to be some distance above the foundation
 
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Old 08-31-14, 02:07 PM
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The band board ties all the ends of the joists together.

No distance requirement.
 
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Originally Posted by pcboss View Post
The band board ties all the ends of the joists together.

No distance requirement.
Thank you. I would have left at that but appears there is 25 character requirement.
 
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for practical reasons needs to be deck mounted see attached
 
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Old 09-01-14, 04:05 PM
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Don't cut the siding. Just drill a round hole through the siding into the house, making sure you have enough room for a connector in the back of the box. You should be able to angle the hole up to miss, or just barely clip the 2x framing. Then surface mount the box using the supplied ears that came with your weatherproof box.
 
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Turns out my drawing is not very well drawn to scale, and I cannot get the outlet on the siding very well. Which leaves me with mounting on the deck. So much for my 45 minute project :-)

Can I just drill a hole straight through into the house or do I need to use a nipple?

The deck is spaced off the house with washers like this pic:

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Old 09-02-14, 04:35 PM
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If you are using NM-b cable (aka Romex) a hole is fine. Be sure to use a connecter on the box for the cable and to seal the hole with duct seal or some good polyurethane caulk. Especially where the gap is.
 
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Thanks, my concern was that with the gap it was essentially exposed to the elements.

I should use a connector like this? And stupid question can it be put on the inside of the box, or do I have to drill out an area for it on the deck?

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You could use a push-in connector and the drill a recess just deep enough for the connector and a " hole for the cable.

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That is a concern, but with such a small area exposed I think it would fine as long as it is covered with caulk or duct seal so it is not exposed to sunlight or water. If you want, you could use UF and then it will be fully protected. You could also sleeve it, as you mentioned, with EMT or PVC conduit. That might be an option as an EMT or PVC connector has a smaller profile then a standard Romex connector you have pictured. IF you do decide to sleeve it, be sure to install a connector on both ends of the conduit to bush the ends. Of course, one end will thread into the box.

The two on the left are correct. It will not thread on the inside of the box, so it needs to be on the outside. Drill or chisel enough to make room of the connector. I have never been able to get the connector Ray posted to snap into a threaded hole of a weatherproof box correctly.
 
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Old 09-02-14, 07:32 PM
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I have never used a push-in so based on Tolyn's information I retract my suggestion.
 
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Thank you. Sounds like it is ok to just drill a small hole through both which would be my preference.
 
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first you drill a hole large enough for the connector minus the screws on each side just deep enough for the connector then a " hole through the test of the band board. You modify the larger hole with a quarter in chisel to accommodate the screws as necessary..
 
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before you mount a box outside drill a 1/4 inch hole in the bottom for water to get out.
 
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Old 09-04-14, 05:09 AM
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A 1/16" - 1/8" hole would be better. Wasps can fit through a 1/4" hole.
 
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A 1/16" - 1/8" hole would be better. Wasps can fit through a 1/4" hole.
a smaller hole might be better for looks but also clogs up easer.
i vote for helping the water get out.
wasps do not cause shorts.
 
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