Missing panel plate?

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Old 09-01-14, 10:04 AM
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Missing panel plate?

There seem to be 2 panels in our house. 1 is connected to everything inside put in in 2000. The other is connected to everything outside installed maybe in the 70s.
The older one has no front plate - what can I do to make it safe?
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Old 09-01-14, 10:23 AM
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what can I do to make it safe?
Well first you can move that shelving inhalation back so there is 36" of space in front of the panel There also must be a total of 30" on the sides though it doesn't need to be centered (NEC 110.26). If the panel is new enough you may be able to get a replacement cover from a supply house.Otherwise you might try places that handle used electrical panels to see if you can find a panel replacement cover (you may have to buy the whole panel).What is the make and model?
 
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Old 09-01-14, 10:36 AM
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No make or model printed on it!
Could I just put an aluminium plate over the top and ground it?
 
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Old 09-01-14, 12:17 PM
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You can not just put a cover over it as the breakers are required to the readily accessible. If you moved the shelf there might be a label on the inside of the steel can telling you the model of the panel, or you might have to remove the cover of the main breaker.
It is a Square D QO, that we know.

Otherwise changing out the panel might be your easier, less expensive, option.
 
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Old 09-01-14, 12:40 PM
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Before anything else the shelving unit must be moved immediately. If you had an electrical emergency you couldn't access either panel quickly.

Just for temporary personal safety only you could use foam poster board and cut openings in it for the breaker handles* and fasten it over the panel but a correct and safe fix would need to be done as quickly as possible.

*if the breakers are recessed far enough tape uncut poster board. This is only to reduce the danger of shock not fire. Do not fasten with anything more permanent then tape. Panel breakers must remain quickly and easily assessable.
 
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Old 09-01-14, 02:20 PM
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I know the shelf looks close but it is easy to turn the breakers off but I will move it further out.
Model seems to be QO-16-20M series T2 100A max.
What about an aluminium plate with a hinged door made into it?
 
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Old 09-01-14, 02:29 PM
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You may be able to get the correct cover from a supply house. I would not use foam core based on flammability concerns.
 
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What about an aluminium plate with a hinged door made into it?
That would be better then what you have. A proper panel cover is what you really need.
 
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Old 09-03-14, 07:31 AM
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The other is connected to everything outside installed maybe in the 70s.
The older one has no front plate - what can I do to make it safe?
You'll never find a new panel cover and door for a '70s vintage panel. Even if you find a current catalog number that is close, the designs have changed enough the cover would never fit. I have no idea what country you are in so that complicates things, but there are a few places in the states that have the capability to make a custom panel trim, covers and doors. Cutler-Hammer will make them for their own panelboard interiors to fit an existing panel box, but they are very expensive. The least expensive option is probably to change the panel or at the very least, change the panel interior with a new one from whichever manufacturer has a panel almost the same dimensions.
 
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The older one has no front plate - what can I do to make it safe?
It is a Square D QO, that we know.
Model seems to be QO-16-20M series T2 100A max.
measure the size of the cover and make a note of it.
call around to some electrical supply houses asking for the names of contractors who would have old parts.
call around to some electrical contractors asking for an old cover
also asking for the names of contractors who would have old parts.

you are looking for an old man or company ....his shop place might look like a junk yard

this sd "d" qo type is the best panel brand you could have.
all you need is a cover
 
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Old 09-04-14, 06:30 AM
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Panel Cover

Google "Square D QO panel cover".
 
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Old 09-04-14, 07:12 AM
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Just googled it and came up with several pages. Here is the first one I found
https://www.google.com/search?q=Squa...40760861451742
 
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Old 09-04-14, 08:38 AM
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Model seems to be QO-16-20M series T2 100A max.
I still think it's an exercise in futility, but if you are determined to try to find the correct cover you don't really need the panel catalog number. The covers were sold separately from the panel and were either flush or surface, you need the flush cover. What you need is the catalog number of the cover and door. It should appear on a label inside the door.

Here is a webpage that may be helpful to you.

What is the replacement Main Circuit Breaker for a QO16-20M, Series L8, load center? | FAQs | Schneider Electric

What is the replacement Main Circuit Breaker for a QO16-20M, Series L8, load center?

It is a Q12100TF which is now Obsolete, with no replacement.
 
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Old 10-12-14, 05:20 PM
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Doesn't seem like there are any anywhere.
So, I could buy an aluminium cover - how easy would it be to cut holes in that to fit where the breakers and switch are?
 

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Old 10-12-14, 07:37 PM
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A custom fabrication shop should be able to make a cover but you might not like the price.
 
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Old 10-12-14, 10:14 PM
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Total shot in the dark...

You could try calling some of the larger electrical companies in your city and see if the have a cover floating around before you get into a fabricated cover. Unlikely you will find one but worth a shot. Lots of guys have old panels they've mounted onto plywood to use for temporary power.

EDIT: Didn't notice john beat me to this suggestion.
 

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