which junction box for recessed light?
#1
11-08-14, 07:14 AM
which junction box for recessed light?
Found an open splice in the ceiling above this recessed light.
What junction box should I use to contain the splice as the accrual recessed light is not mounted to any junction box directly?
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What junction box should I use to contain the splice as the accrual recessed light is not mounted to any junction box directly?
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwSN...p=docslist_api
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwSN...p=docslist_api
#10
11-08-14, 02:29 PM
Super Moderator
I'm not sure if the pic is of an actual remodel fixture. Just do a search for "remodel can light" and you'll see how it works. Spring loaded clips hold it in place.
#11
11-08-14, 03:22 PM
Here's the remodel can you need. Halo 6 in. Aluminum Recessed Lighting Remodel Insulation Contact Housing-H7RICT at The Home Depot
#12
11-08-14, 03:27 PM
Super Moderator
That's actually the first one that showed up on my search Larry, but I didn't want to make it too easy. lol
Plus not sure if qwerty has HD in his area.
Plus not sure if qwerty has HD in his area.
#14
11-08-14, 06:39 PM
It was never specified if the original box was old work or new work but since it was an existing box it was not unlikely to be a new work box. The image illustrated what might be there not a replacement.
#15
11-09-14, 05:50 AM
I don't know, Jim. The "T" slot on the side tells me there were clips holding it in place. Of course the can could have been molded for both installation methods. What is missing is the junction box and the metal whip.
#18
11-09-14, 02:40 PM
The clips held the light fixture to the can bit for some reason the previous owner then used silicone to secure the fixture to the ceiling as the can was not secured to anything.
#20
11-09-14, 07:24 PM
All apart from whether it's OK by code to just install a junction box next to the can ?
I'll probably end up buying a new can as this one isn't supported by anything apart from sealant but just wondering.
I'll probably end up buying a new can as this one isn't supported by anything apart from sealant but just wondering.
#21
11-09-14, 07:57 PM
A new old work light would be best because the box is supposed to be part of the light and is usually connected with a metal whip. Then there is the issue of the thermal protector wiring.
#22
11-19-14, 09:27 AM
Thermal protector wiring?
As an aside, the junction box attached to the can - isn't that sort of like a violation of code by "hiding" the junction box behind a drywall ceiling?
As an aside, the junction box attached to the can - isn't that sort of like a violation of code by "hiding" the junction box behind a drywall ceiling?
#23
11-19-14, 09:36 AM
Forum Topic Moderator
The junction box is considered accessible, no violation.
The thermal is built into the fixture. If you used a regular junction box an important safety feature would be left out.
The thermal is built into the fixture. If you used a regular junction box an important safety feature would be left out.
#24
11-19-14, 12:05 PM
So, should all recessed lights without a thermal be replaced?
I don't think any of them in the house have them as they are all old recessed lights.
Secoindly, the wires connect from the halogen light bulb holder and go straight up through the top of the can - this means the wires are directly in the heat zone within the can - never had any problems. The wires then drape out the top of the can and over the side - are those supposed to be replaced as well?
I don't think any of them in the house have them as they are all old recessed lights.
Secoindly, the wires connect from the halogen light bulb holder and go straight up through the top of the can - this means the wires are directly in the heat zone within the can - never had any problems. The wires then drape out the top of the can and over the side - are those supposed to be replaced as well?
#25
11-19-14, 03:57 PM
If all your can lights are like those in post #1, and you know about them, yes, they all need to be replaced by old work cans. You cannot have exposed wiring and bcaps up in the void of the ceiling without protection.
#26
11-20-14, 05:59 AM
There are 2 others that I have seen which are smaller lights, possibly the 3inch ones but
- a junction box has been used for the connection and then buried in pink insulation, The junction box has a switch plate cover used instead of a blank
- insulation covers the light.
Will the cans have any markings on them to say if they are the types that can be used with insulation over them?
- a junction box has been used for the connection and then buried in pink insulation, The junction box has a switch plate cover used instead of a blank
- insulation covers the light.
Will the cans have any markings on them to say if they are the types that can be used with insulation over them?
