Wiring outside the box


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Old 03-11-15, 12:35 PM
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Wiring outside the box

Beneath the kitchen sink in my son's house, there are several wire connections held together by wire nuts but none is in a box. There's also an outlet there that shows no indication of its being GFCI. The work was "professionally" done. I'm concerned about this, but it makes me question the other electrical work that was done. Any suggestions as to how to proceed?it's been a while since I did any electrical work.
 
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Old 03-11-15, 12:38 PM
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The work may have been done but certainly not professionally. Those wires should definitely be connected inside a covered junction box.

Where is the receptacle..... under the sink ? What is it used for ?
 
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Old 03-11-15, 12:42 PM
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Some pictures might help us give you some directions and suggestions.
 
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Old 03-11-15, 12:58 PM
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Outlet is under sink - goes to instant hot water -- sorry about lack of picture but don't see insert image icon.
 
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Thanks Ray but I don't have that sreen (or can't find) - is there an app that has different format?
 
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Old 03-11-15, 03:06 PM
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Are you on a desktop PC or a phone? Try the instructions in the last paragraph of this link. http://www.doityourself.com/forum/el...ml#post1616710
 
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Old 03-11-15, 07:11 PM
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There's also an outlet there that shows no indication of its being GFCI.
It may not need to be GFCI protected depending on the code cycle your community has adopted.
 
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Regardless of code, you wouldn't want an outlet under the sink that wasn't protected.
 

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I switched to my netbook - iphone didn't have needed toolbar
 
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Old 03-11-15, 08:41 PM
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Does you son have LED lights? If so what you are seeing may the drivers and most of the wires low voltage. What does the labels on the black boxes say?
 
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LED driver modules is what I was going to say also.
Actually, it does look like this was done by a pro or semi-pro. The LED driver modules are often placed in a remote location.
 
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If they are not for LEDs they might be low voltage transformers. It could be neater and it looks like a cable needs to be secured, but I don't see an immediate fire hazard.
 
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Old 03-12-15, 07:34 AM
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GM lighting - max 30 watts
You all are great - very helpful - thank you
I plan to head to the hardware store for a GFCI tester for that outlet under the sink - is that not necessary?
 
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That receptacle would only need to be GFCI protected under the latest (2014) electric code -- most states have not adopted this code yet. Whenever this was installed it would have been legal and still is grandfathered.
 
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Regardless of code, you wouldn't want an outlet under the sink that wasn't protected
It is protected, by the circuit breaker. I don't have a problem with a receptacle located under a kitchen sink not being GFCI protected. Like ibpooks has stated, the only real reason to do so is if you are following the 2014 NEC.
 
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Thanks - so not really a problem?
 
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Okay - I'm at Lowes - missed one of the posts - I'll stop worrying - thanks again - over and out
 
 

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