Best outside electrical receptacle?

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Best outside electrical receptacle?

The current electrical receptacle is attached:
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During the winter, I have something plugged into this constantly and although it was fine last year, I'm wondering if it should be a better housing for the electrics in case of rain, etc.
Is there a recommended receptacle for outside receptacles exposed to rain and snow melting?

Secondly, we have an artesian well, which has a heating cable inside it. It seems to connect to a receptacle mounted on the side of the well. It stopped working last winter as it had all corroded from years of exposure (it's housed inside a small wood rain cover so it doesn't get rained on much). I need to replace this so am wondering what to use. The current receptacle is just a standard interior house receptacle!
 
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seems like the plug for the well heat tape actually has a GFCI on it. Do I need to add one on the receptacle as well?

If the cover is left open, how does it protect from the rain?
 
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Old 06-24-15, 04:56 PM
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To protect the heat tape, no, but to protect anything else plugged into the receptacle, any outdoor receptacle must be GFCI protected.

Edit; it is sort of like a hair dryer plugged into a bathroom receptacle. Two GFCI's in a row, but inevitable.
 
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seems like the plug for the well heat tape actually has a GFCI on it. Do I need to add one on the receptacle as well?
Np. In fact it is best to not have a second GFCI on a GFCI protected circuit.
If the cover is left open, how does it protect from the rain
It isn't left open'

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If the cover is left open, how does it protect from the rain?
There are different models out there but if you look at the one Larry posted, there are two pieces of plastic that slide out to allow your cord through while the cover is snapped shut. The large bubble cover is to accommodate the cord as it makes a hook shape inside to plug in.

EDIT: Nevermind ray beat me to it.
 
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Is there something I can use to plug 3 things into it at once and protect it from the rain?
It's actually a block heater timer but it runs some gutter heating cable and senses when to turn on according to temperature. So, one block heater timer into the receptacle, then 2 plugs go into the block heater timer.
The block heater timer is already weather resistant but the 2 plugs that go into it (from the heating cable)?

Secondly, why GFCI? if water touches it won't it short anyway? It's not like anything will be dropped into a sink.
 
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why GFCI?
Code says so.

Such a simple answer that the forum tells me my message is too short so I have to type this redundant sentence.
 
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For more access, a larger box is required, two receptacles and a double cover as below: Hubbell TayMac 2-Gang Non-Metallic Weatherproof In-Use Cover - Clear-MM2420C - The Home Depot

It's not like anything will be dropped into a sink.
Really??!! Written in stone??

GFCI doesn't operate like a breaker. It operates on the difference in amperage between the hot and neutral, and will trip when that threshold is reached...usually 700mA or so. You aren't protecting the receptacle (as it is hot with line voltage anyway), but whatever is plugged into it.
 
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GFCI doesn't operate like a breaker. It operates on the difference in amperage between the hot and neutral, and will trip when that threshold is reached...usually 700mA or so.
The trip level of a GFCI device for personnel protection is when an imbalance reaches 4 to 6 mA and is usually stated as 5 mA.
 
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Thanks for the catch, CJ. I wasn't doing my zeroes right.
 
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Is there something I can use to plug 3 things into it at once and protect it from the rain?
Yes, install a two gang box with two gang in-use cover and two duplex receptacles.
 
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It's a block heater timer so 3 plugs need to go into the block heater and then 1 plug from the blovk heater into a receptacle but I need to protect the 3 plugs from the rain somehow?
 
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Are you saying the block heater has three plugs that you need to combine into one power cord ?

If not.... you'll need to clarify post 13.
 
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If the block heater won't fit in the bubble cover, it will need to be mounted in a weatherproof enclosure with its cord running to the bubble cover.
 
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3 gutter cable plugs go into a multiplug, which goes into 1 block heater, which goes into the wall receptacle.
It's the multiplug that isn't waterproof.
 
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Please post pictures of the configuration.
 
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It's the multiplug that isn't waterproof.
And there is your problem, when this gets wet it'll likely trip the GFCI protection. What is the total load on the circuit. Many block heaters require a single dedicated 20 amp circuit.
 
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3x 500W, so about 12A. Seemed to work fine last year, just need to protect it from water.
Last year I just wrapped it all in electrical tape.
 
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3x 500W, so about 12A. Seemed to work fine last year
And how many more watts for the block heater?
 
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It's a block heater timer rather than an actual block heater. So, minimal W.
Looks a bit like this but it turns on the gutter cables when temperature gets below -3:
Dual Outlet Block Heater Timer | Princess Auto
 
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Old 07-08-15, 08:27 AM
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It's a block heater timer rather than an actual block heater.
That makes a bit more sense. The block heater timer plugs into the weather resistant GFCI receptacle under an in-use weatherproof cover, but the timer is just weather resistant and not weatherproof. When it gets drenched it will trip the GFCI receptacle. The timer needs to be under a roofed area where it can't be hit by rain or snow.
 
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Not possible in this situation - it has a bit of coverage from the roof but not much. The timer seems ok TBH, it says it's approved for outdoor use. But it still only has one plug space and I need to plug 2-3 gutter cables into it and they don't seem to sell weatherproof multiplugs.
 
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it says it's approved for outdoor use. But it still only has one plug space and I need to plug 2-3 gutter cables into it and they don't seem to sell weatherproof multiplugs.
Then you'll just have to learn to live with the GFCI device occasionally tripping.
 
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Existing receptacle isn't GFCI so what could water damage anyway? Wouldn;t it just short?
In which case why not leave the existing receptacle and just plug everything in and provide some sort of acryclic cover?
 
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Existing receptacle isn't GFCI so what could water damage anyway?
It needs to be GFCI protected either by installing a GFCI receptacle or a GFCI circuit breaker. You have already been told that. Do what you want, but no one on this forum will recommend an unsafe solution that you apparently are looking for.

Mods, it appears to me that this thread has run it's course, can it be closed?
 
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Ok ok! GFCI but I still don't know how to get a waterproof multi way into the timer?
Scotch tape or making an acryclic box seem to be the only options?
 
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Surface mount a weather resistant enclosed time with a surface mount two gang box below with two duplex receptacles. One receptacle would be GFCI and feed the second.

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There are optional ways to do this but all would use a hard wired timer. The timer could be inside. The two gang box could be flush mounted. You could even make three of the plug-ins timed and the fourth always hot for other uses.
 

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Would this work with rain covers on both?
The cable would be a flex cable.

 
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If the first receptacle was GFCI protected the cord designation contained "W", and the device was within the in-use cover, yes.

Box shown not weather proof. Box must be weather proof and in use cover used.
 
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