Square D Homeline
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10-26-15, 06:54 PM
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Square D Homeline
I recently picked up a Square D by Schneider Electric HOM2040M200C Homeline 200-Amp 20-Space 40-Circuit Indoor Main Breaker Load Center with Cover
on Amazon to relocate and rewire house with 2 wire w/ ground (which still has the 1950s 2 wire cloth wiring) and ran into a problem that the breakers from the Murray Homeline will not fit into it all the way. Have picture showing for you guys to see and need help to understand what's going on with this of why it will not seat all the way down like length is millimeters too long.. Are there really different types of Homeline??
FYI I have this whole breaker box planned so if you ask about the empty spaces, they are taken in near future when I get them all transferred over.
on Amazon to relocate and rewire house with 2 wire w/ ground (which still has the 1950s 2 wire cloth wiring) and ran into a problem that the breakers from the Murray Homeline will not fit into it all the way. Have picture showing for you guys to see and need help to understand what's going on with this of why it will not seat all the way down like length is millimeters too long.. Are there really different types of Homeline??
FYI I have this whole breaker box planned so if you ask about the empty spaces, they are taken in near future when I get them all transferred over.
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10-26-15, 11:03 PM
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That is just totally messed up, thought there was a standard, but I guess there's much to learn about circuit breakers just like automotive. Can't put a part on a ford that belongs to a chevy unless you made modifications to it. I do noticed that there is a longer notch on bottom behind the hot connection with box on the circuit breaker of square D compared to Siemens and Murray. I just don't understand why Murray, Siemens, Eaton, and GE are all same when it comes to Homeline when this Square D homeline box is not for those homeline breakers. I have done my research online to confirm that I only saw 2 different types of breakers these days. Obviously there isn't enough information on the internet to tell you that there are more than 2 types.
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10-26-15, 11:48 PM
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If your breakers are as old as the house and its wiring then they should be replaced too.
As an electrician I never use old breakers in a new panel upgrade.
As an electrician I never use old breakers in a new panel upgrade.
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10-27-15, 07:31 AM
Some panels can accept other brands and types, but those types will be listed on the panel label if it is possible. There is not a general rule. The most common interchanges are Siemens and Murray because they are the same company, but even still they are not all compatible with each other. Square D is only compatible with their own breakers. From the Amazon product description:
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The Square D Homeline 200 Amp 20-Space 40-Circuit Outdoor Convertible Main Breaker Load Center is UL listed for residential and commercial power distribution. This load center is built with a plated, aluminum bus bar that is tested and listed only for Homeline circuit breakers. Homeline load centers are designed for the value-minded contractors, remodelers, builders and homeowners. Homeline load centers are engineered for fast installation and wire savings.
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If your breakers are as old as the house and its wiring then they should be replaced too.
As an electrician I never use old breakers in a new panel upgrade.
Pete
As an electrician I never use old breakers in a new panel upgrade.
Pete
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10-27-15, 09:43 AM
I have a Tankless water heater that takes up 6 slots
If you have a TWH that requires 6 slots I wonder if your service is large enough to support it. Please give us the details.
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...ran into a problem that the breakers from the Murray Homeline...
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10-27-15, 11:58 AM
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The design of the Homeline is similar across several brands but they are not interchangeable.
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It only needs two if you use a subpanel at the TWH. Use GE panels. They have the least expensive panels and breakers.
If you have a TWH that requires 6 slots I wonder if your service is large enough to support it. Please give us the details.
If you have a TWH that requires 6 slots I wonder if your service is large enough to support it. Please give us the details.
And for as rest of this post. I managed to solve the problem.
Thank you all for the details :-)
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10-27-15, 12:45 PM
I have a Ecosmart 27KW (Which has 3x 9kw elements requiring 220v 40amp 8 gauge for each)
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If you have other high use electric appliances like heat, electric dryer, electric stove, a Spa then you need to do a load calculation.
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10-28-15, 09:09 AM
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I recently picked up a Square D by Schneider Electric HOM2040M200C Homeline 200-Amp 20-Space 40-Circuit Indoor Main Breaker Load Center with Cover
on Amazon to relocate and rewire house with 2 wire w/ ground (which still has the 1950s 2 wire cloth wiring) and ran into a problem that the breakers from the Murray Homeline will not fit into it all the way.
on Amazon to relocate and rewire house with 2 wire w/ ground (which still has the 1950s 2 wire cloth wiring) and ran into a problem that the breakers from the Murray Homeline will not fit into it all the way.
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10-28-15, 06:42 PM
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As has already been mentioned, Murray doesn't make a "Homeline" panel. "Homeline" is part of a registered trade name by Square D. You should have bought a Murray panel if you wanted to reuse your old breakers. Only Square D Homeline breakers are U.L. Listed to be used in the new Homeline panel. To use any other manufacturer's breakers, even if they do fit, is a code violation.
To use any other manufacturer's breakers, even if they do fit, is a code violation
Just curious, what are you using all the hot water for?
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Geo
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10-28-15, 08:26 PM
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The biggest issue is it violates 110.3B, items shall be used as listed and labeled. Homeline says only Homeline breakers, period.
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10-29-15, 07:07 AM
The big reason is that you don't know if it fits or not. The width and position of the bus fin and the tension on the stab clamp are different. The breaker may physically fit into the spot, but the connection to the bus does not meet spec. There could also be dissimilar and incompatible alloys. Both of these conditions causes corrosion, overheating and early failure. It also voids the warranty on the breakers and the panel.
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10-29-15, 07:37 AM
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I saw this on a complete re-read of this thread.
Trust me, there are DOZENS, if not hundreds of different circuit breaker styles, most of which are not interchangeable.
I have done my research online to confirm that I only saw 2 different types of breakers these days.
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10-29-15, 08:13 AM
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I have done my research online to confirm that I only saw 2 different types of breakers these days.
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10-29-15, 10:28 AM
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Cutler-Hammer classic tan, C-H BR line
Square D QO and Homeline
Westinghouse
GE
Siemens
Murray
Square D QO and Homeline
Westinghouse
GE
Siemens
Murray
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10-29-15, 06:13 PM
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I was thinking of 4 types
1.) Cutler-Hammer CH series - only fit Cutler-Hammer CH series panels
2.) Square D QO series - only fit Square D QO series panels
3.) GE Type THQP - only fit SOME GE panels, not all GE panels
4.) Square D Homeline - only U.L. Listed to be used in Homeline panels
Only the Square D Homeline is the bus stab type breaker. None of the above 4 breakers will physically interchange.
1.) Cutler-Hammer CH series - only fit Cutler-Hammer CH series panels
2.) Square D QO series - only fit Square D QO series panels
3.) GE Type THQP - only fit SOME GE panels, not all GE panels
4.) Square D Homeline - only U.L. Listed to be used in Homeline panels
Only the Square D Homeline is the bus stab type breaker. None of the above 4 breakers will physically interchange.
