Outdoor outlets, need some help please

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Old 07-05-20, 04:59 PM
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Outdoor outlets, need some help please

We are adding a pool and I want to run electricity around the cage. They need to pour footers and I plan on running pvc conduit under the concrete.

I'm confused about the best way to junction in the electrical outlets. There only thing I can figure out to do is run a 90 degree bend up to a junction box and then a second 90 bend down and start a new run until the next box and repeat. I noticed that they do sell pvc boxes with 2 connection points on the bottom.

Is there a cleaner way to do this or a better way. The pool with be surrounded by pavers so I can remove to access if need be but I was planning on the conduit being inside the concrete

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Old 07-05-20, 05:58 PM
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That is pretty much how it is done. 90 up and 90 down. I would suggest connecting the conduits to the boxes to make sure the conduits do not get messed up during the pour. I also I would recommend using 3/4" PVC for ease of pulling. Just remember the receptacles are required to be no closer than 6' from the pool edge.

You could also run the conduits into a Ballard but they will likely be very expensive.
You could run the conduits into these: Arlington | 19.5" Low Profile Enclosure with Built-In Cover but I do not know how well they would install into the concrete.
 
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Old 07-05-20, 08:05 PM
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I am only going to run 3 12 gauge wires for 20amp service. Can't imagine using more. I was going to run the 3/4 but then got to thing the 1/2 being smaller would look better and be easier to hide.

Shouldn't it be just as easy to pull 3 wires in a 1/2 inch?

 
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Old 07-05-20, 08:39 PM
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It will all depend on how many bends you have in the pipe. PVC pipe is kind of "sticky" to push wires in. With two 90's you will likely need to use a fish tape to pull the wires in.

IMO - conduit is conduit. It doesn't matter if it is 1/2" or 3/4". You will see both and they will be the same to hide.
 
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Old 07-06-20, 03:15 AM
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Use the 3/4 just pulled through 1/2 even tho the wires fit with no problem still had problems with bends. Had to use a lot of wire pull lube and fish tape.
 
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Old 07-06-20, 05:07 AM
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Hi, how much distance between the boxes? a long distance it probably would be better to use 3/4.
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It will be one long you essentially. Each side is 60 ft and the bottom will be 40 ft. I'm thinking at least one outlet per side maybe two.

So likely 30 ft and outlet 30 ft a 90 bend probably 5 ft and an outlet another 25 ft and outlet another 5 ft and 90 bend another 30 ft and an outlet another 30 ft in an outlet.

Makes sense? Go with the 3/4 for ease then? Even though I don't I even need a 20 amp fuse (a 15 would have probably been fine) stick with 12 gauge. No benefit to upsizing to a 10 gauge is there.
 
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Old 07-06-20, 06:20 AM
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I would not upsize to #10. Your load is minor so no real benefit.

I always upsize the pipe one size when using PVC for the reasons I have already mentioned. I also recommend using stranded wire.
 
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Thanks for the advice.
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