Anybody using the stab in wire connectors?

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Old 11-17-20, 11:27 AM
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Anybody using the stab in wire connectors?

I've resisted these things ever since they came out but am rethinking using them. Has anybody had long term experience with them, good or bad?





 

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11-17-20, 05:11 PM
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The Ideal push ins do not require stranded wires to be tinned.
Looks like you can use stranded THHN, but still need to tin what is usually on the light fixtures.
  • Solid wire range: #20 - #12 AWG
  • Stranded wire range: #16 - #12 AWG (≤ 19 strand) and #18 AWG (≤ 7 strand)
  • Tin bonded stranded wire range: #18 - #14 AWG (≤ 19 strand)
 
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Old 11-17-20, 11:32 AM
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I think those are far better than wire nuts, but I'm not an electrician.
 
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Old 11-17-20, 11:39 AM
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They are definitely faster and easier. I bought a small pact just to try but I've got my doubts about them, especially remembering the switches and receptacles stabbed in from the back that fail after a few years.
 
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Old 11-17-20, 11:43 AM
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Yes, there is a recent thread on that. The biggest difference is that the outlets get yanked around as people plug things in and pull them out. The wire connections inside the box aren't subject to that same movement.
 
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Old 11-17-20, 01:06 PM
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The connections are more robust in the push in connectors than in the receptacles and switches. There are also the Wago leverlock that seem to be very good.
 
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Old 11-17-20, 02:09 PM
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I use them routinely (not an electrician) . That was after I tried to pull a wire out of one with pliers and I could not budge it. I like them because they are fast, almost foolproof and they take up less box space. The drawbacks are cost and for me most recently the inability to make a voltage measurement when the box device (like a dimmer) is hard wired with no exposed terminals. In the past I would just remove a wire nut.
 
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Those push in connectors are good and comes standard with some recessed light cans. Only con is that you cannot push in stranded wires unless they are tinned first.
However, I don't use them often because of the price and it is difficult to remove wire later.

I never had problem with newer back stab switches or receptacles. Old ones that allows 12AWG are only ones I found problem so far.
However, I started using screw terminals after seeing others reporting problem.
Also, I always use screw terminal the receptacles installed outside or damp location to give best possible contact.
 
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Old 11-17-20, 04:58 PM
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The Ideal push ins do not require stranded wires to be tinned.
 
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The Ideal push ins do not require stranded wires to be tinned.
Looks like you can use stranded THHN, but still need to tin what is usually on the light fixtures.
  • Solid wire range: #20 - #12 AWG
  • Stranded wire range: #16 - #12 AWG (≤ 19 strand) and #18 AWG (≤ 7 strand)
  • Tin bonded stranded wire range: #18 - #14 AWG (≤ 19 strand)
 
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Old 11-18-20, 08:01 AM
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The Ideal push ins do not require stranded wires to be tinned.
I would only use the name branded connectors, like Ideal, and avoid the cheaper store branded ones.
 
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Old 11-18-20, 09:56 AM
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I think those are far better than wire nuts, but I'm not an electrician.
I don't see how they're better than properly installed wire nuts (pretwist wires together). But because they're not subject to movement once installed and pushed back into the box, they seem pretty safe, and for sure they are quicker and take up less space than wire nuts.

Pain to pull wires out though. Solid wires can be pulled out; stranded has to be cut off.

A couple of people mentioned cost. When I bought a pack of the Ideal push-in connectors, they were the same or slightly cheaper than similar size package of wire nuts. Even if they are a little more, on a per-connector basis, the difference is tiny, so not really a factor for DIY. The Wago lever versions might be pricier. Curious to try those, but I have a lot of regular push-ins to go through before I run out.
 
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I use them and like them for certain applications. I do not like to use them in boxes above a suspended ceiling or in ceiling boxes where I will be installing light fixtures,

I only use Ideal ones.
 
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Yes, I started using them a few years back before I retired. Arthritis in my fingers made it more and more difficult for me to properly use a wire nut. The push-ins were much easier for me and gave me a snug/tight connection.

But I only used the name brands as some others have stated also.
 
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