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How to power sink insinerator and dishwasher from same outlet

How to power sink insinerator and dishwasher from same outlet


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Old 03-31-23, 08:21 PM
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How to power sink insinerator and dishwasher from same outlet

A little confused about sink insinerator outlet wiring setup. I swapped out the old outlet for a new one. The new addition in the setup is a dish washer. I thought it will be powered from the same outlet. But I noticed this...
When I plug in insinerator there's no power in the outlet until I turn on the switch to operate the insinerator. When I unplug it, there's power in the plug, regardless if the switch is on or off. I don't get this. Is there a way this plug can be setup up to provide power to the dishwasher and insinerator as well?
 
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Old 04-01-23, 05:12 AM
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How are you testing for power?
How did you wire the new receptacle?
Did you check the tab on the gold screw side of the old one. It might have been cut.
 
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It sounds like your outlet is switch controlled. That way you can turn the disposal on and off with the switch. The outlet can be split so one socket is switch controlled while the other socket stays continuously powered but you need to somehow get continuous power to the outlet. Post a good clear picture or drawing of the wiring in the outlet and we'll see if there is any way to make it work. It might not hurt to see a picture/drawing of the wiring at the switch as well.
 
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Old 04-01-23, 03:03 PM
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I plugged in the the insinerator and a work light-somebody stole my receptacle tester and wire strippers urgh!@#$%^
Did not check the side tab of the old one.
It's wired just as normal.
Yes the receptavcle is switch controlled. Here is a quick pic I had on my phone. I can add more later including the blue wire connection in the toggle switch above, which I believe is a regular power inline switch.


 
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A few things...
* It looks like there are two blue wires coming into the box, but only one is connected. Where does the other one go?
* The brass tab is broken off for the top/bottom receptacle, but only one blue wire is attached. So only the bottom receptacle can ever be live.
* There's no box. All receptacles and junctions need to be in a metal or plastic electrical box.

When I unplug it, there's power in the plug, regardless if the switch is on or off.
You're testing it with a worklight? So when you plug the worklight in, it's always on regardless of the switch position?
 
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Old 04-03-23, 12:53 PM
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"You're testing it with a worklight? So when you plug the worklight in, it's always on regardless of the switch position?"No. When I plug in the light it's off until I turn on the switch.

There's only one blue line attached to the receptacle. It has no power when switch above is off. But the blue looped wire at the top of the receptacle (see pic below) has constant power. When I turn on switch, the blue wire attached to receptacle gets powered and now both wires have power. Receptacle tabs are intact. So both sides operate the same way. The switch operates as normal. It has power to right side leg when switch is off. When turned on now both legs have power.
When testing is successfully completed I will install a proper box.



 
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Old 04-03-23, 03:34 PM
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The picture are nothing but big blobs.
Based on the description, cut the tab between the gold screws and attach the second blue wire to the second gold screw. One socket will be switched and the other will be constant power.
 
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It comes down to what is the other black wire that is not attached to the outlet. If it is constantly energized then there is hope of making one of the sockets hot all the time for a dishwasher. But, for now with only one hot conductor going to the outlet you cannot have both a switched socket for the disposal and a constant on for the dishwasher.
 
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Not sure what happened with the pics. They appear just fine on my phone as below.


 
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There is a problem with the forum so the picture blobs are not your fault. Sometimes holding ctrl, shift and "r" will refresh the images.
 
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Sometimes holding ctrl, shift and "r" will refresh the images.
That did it for me.

You need to install a proper electrical box. That low voltage ring is no good for a receptacle.
 
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All finished. I now have a constant hot (Dishwasher) and a switched port (insinerator). Attaching a pigtail to the constant hot did it. Thanx guys.

I am wondering how this type of wiring is done. that is, there's a constant hot line, that goes into the box and loops out. Other wires are attached to the receptacle and become hot only if the insinerator switch above is activated. Can someone draw a diagram on how these a wired.

 
 

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