Dust Foe 88 masks, where?

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Old 12-23-03, 02:47 PM
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Dust Foe 88 masks, where?

Does anyone know the best place to buy this mask? it seems everyone wants $29.99.
Also where is the best place to get the filters?
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Chfite thanks for the come back. I was at the doctors this morning discussing this subject! She told me that I needed protection against dust and fumes! Actually she jumped my butt because she was under the impression that I had already taken care of this problem. I am supposed to wear it when I clean the house, run a vacuum cleaner, use insecticides or just about anything ! That was the bad news.
The good news is that it might not be the Emphysema they thought, it just might be chronic allergies. When I try to vacuum the house are clean it dam near kills me so I stop! Well after two years of this crap the house is a total mess! I am at my wit's end so I emailed the 3M company and MSA (maker of dustfoe 88), begging for help today! I sure hope this is the road to success.
I owe you a great deal for even suggesting dust protection (mask) in the first place.
Now it's up to god and some help from these companies! I guess it could be worse, but between the hand that is still screwed up, my lungs and my son running away, It just hasn't been a very good year!
I just hope things start getting a little better, I have had about all one human being can take.
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Old 12-30-03, 12:21 PM
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Severe allergies can be debilitating but fortunately you can take simple steps that make a big difference.

a) I assume you use air purifiers in your bedroom and other rooms you spend time in. If not, get big Honeywell HEPA units (read the box to ensure they're big enough for your rooms). They're noisy when on high (you don't get much purification on the quiet "low" setting) but make a noticeable difference for asthma/allergy sufferers.

b) Sounds like you'd benefit from a HEPA vacuum cleaner as well. Regular vacuums pick up dirt but blow allergen particles (pollen, spores, bacteria, dust mite stuff, etc) all over. A HEPa vacuum traps everything. There are plenty of web sites that offer these, see for instance
http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping...mcleaners.html

We bought an industrial contractor's vacuum that is no frills but sucks like nothing you've ever seen. My wife likes it so much that she wants a second one (we keep one on each floor of our house) to replace our Eureka HEPA. It's a Euroclean GD930, see it at
http://www.entechsupply.com/euroclean.htm
It's a little on the heavy side but it has a *huge* HEPA filter compared to consumer vacuums like hoover, eureka, etc. which makes for efficient filtration (it's rated for hazmat abatement) and long life.

c) As for respirators, the mask you asked about is only good for dust. (Also consider lightweight disposables, Home Depot has boxes of 25 3M dust masks. Look for the N95 rating which means they filter 95% of particles to 0.3 micron, that takes care of pollen and bacteria). You need a real respirator for pesticides or fumes. Home Depot and Lowes have them in the paint department for around $35, or you can go no-frills and cheap: MSA's Advantage 200 is basic (the straps don't unbuckle, but it's only $9), and you add GMA cartridges rated for organic vapors (around $8.50). Use it when you paint, clean, etc.

d) Finally I'd advise that you reduce use of toxic chemicals. I stopped using pesticides, herbicides and chemical house cleansers when my kids were born with allergies. Rodale Press has books on organic gardening. Substitute vinegar for Windex, Bon Ami for Comet (except on occasions when you need to sterilize the kitchen sink), toss out the fabric softener and antibacterial soaps, and so on. There are many books available, "Nontoxic, Natural and Earthwise" will get you started if you decide to go this route (I know it's a personal choice).

Best of luck!
 

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Smile Hey, keep your chin up, it will soon be a new year.

changeling:

I'm not sure if you saw an alergist but a specialist can help you pinpoint your alergies and sensitivities.

Your vacuum cleaner would be the single most irritating source of dust if that is your irritant.
A HEPA filtered unit would go a long way to improving your health but the long term solution is to remove all the carpeting in your home.
The HEPA will help with the air discharge from the vac but dust will still become airborne as the vac head is rubbed across the rug.
Another idea is the installation of a central vac with the discharge vented outdoors.

Not inexpensive solutions but could make being in your home bearable.

Good luck.
 
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Guys that was absolutely "AWESOME" advice. I will definitely look into your suggestions. I contacted MSA and fully explained the situation in regard to the Respirator ! Without reservation they recommended the Safety Works 817663. It is a dual cartridge type half mask rated up to P100 ! I found it at Amazon (and ordered) for $38.99 free shipping.
The vinegar is an old trick I already use for cleaning windows. Also I have heard and intend to try white vinegar 1/4 cup to a gallon of water as a replacement for weed killer! I heard it works great. There is a lot of alternatives out there that the average person doesn't hear/know about and I intend to investigate the all.
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Old 12-31-03, 02:34 PM
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Marcus, how long does the filter last in your Vac? $578.00, and $95.00 for a filter, sure not a cheap vacuum, but I am definitely interested. tell me anything you can think of.
If my hand doesn't get well soon, I will go broke, LOL? This dam kitchen is piled up with things recommended on this site and others. When summer gets here I'll be working for at least 2 months just installing what I have purchased so far!!
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Hi changeling, I agree with GregH that you should see an allergist if you havent already. There are so many things they can do to help you.

I looked at your new respirator at amazon, the combo cartridge protects against pretty much everything, particulates as well as organic vapors (paint, pesticides) and chlorine and ammonia (that is, cleaning products). Looks like an excellent choice! Only drawback: I have the same respirator with a variety of cartridges, and know that that your combination cartridges are heavy. Together with the general annoyance of wearing a respirator, you might find it uncomfortable for extended use (hours). When I'm woodworking, sanding, cutting drywall, or allergy use like cutting grass, I wear 3M's disposable N95 dust masks. They are featherweight and much cooler, and will protect you from allergens and bacteria (the P100 is only needed for toxics like asbestos and for small viruses that bio-researchers might deal with).

Regarding the vacuum; We've been using it for construction cleanup during our interminable remodeling project as well as for household cleaning, so it gets pretty heavy use. In 3 years I have changed the regular filter bags 8 or 9 times (they're about 2-3 times bigger than a regular Eureka canister bag) but still haven't needed to change the HEPA filter. For household-only use I'm going to guess 5 years or more.

Check pricing because it varies widely. I had called an occupational safety supplier called Reis Environmental at the suggestion of an asbestos abatement contractor, and bought the GD930 for $419. You could try calling Euroclean for a list of local distributors, then call every one of them for price, or maybe Reis can ship one to you out of Denver. By the way, the carpet power head costs more but I don't know how much since we don't have carpets (because of allergies).

Honeywell purifiers are available at Costco. Sometimes Kohl's department store discounts them up to 50%, check their online site to see if a sale is on now; they ship anywhere.


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Thanks Marcus I really appreciate it. As far as the doctor, she is good but not an allergist. I have my doubts about the chronic allergy she says I have. This might sound crazy but when I am working outside sometimes after breathing like a panting bear it starts getting better all of a sudden by 50 percent are more!
Did you ever check out the wet dry vac's with a "HEPA" filter? Just a thought.
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In my experience pediatricians, GP's and internists don't do a good job of managing allergies so if yours thinks you have allergies, I'd sure as heck see an allergy specialist and get a workup. Today! Look at it this way: spending cash in exchange for breathing better every day of your life is a bargain, at least in my opinion.

I have a big stainless ShopVac Wet/Dry with a HEPA filter in my garage. Haven't needed to use the wet feature, but I it for dry. In addition to general cleaning, I connect it to my contractor's saw through a 2-1/2" hose and the garage stays clean. Wouldn't use it inside, though, its too bulky, very loud, and doesn't have attachments for carpet, upholstery, etc.
 
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Marcus, you are right about the allergist, I'll make an important with my doctor, have to do that first to get the reference (insurance purposes).
Here is a thought I have had: I am going to get a Wet dry vacuum anyway so I started thinking about installing the HEPA filter, then another idea hit me, you can pick up a good vacuum power head at yard sales, flea markets, auctions, etc. Why not just set up a hose and power head on the wet/dry for the house, that would take care of the cleaning aspect! The noise, I would have to work on that idea.
This would be a lot better than spending $500.00 or more! What do you think? Actually when you start thinking about it there are a whole lot of possibilities!
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Hi changeling,

allergist--good!

vacuum--It's not my style, I'd rather use the proper tool for the job and I don't mind spending if it's a quality tool that will last a lifetime. An indoor vac that's quiet, portable, has indoor attachments, the wife and kids use it without complaints, I expect it to last 15 years or more, that's for me--but to each his own.

Not sure what you mean by installing a HEPA into a wet/dry. HEPA vacs are designed to prevent leaks that might let dirty air escape around the absolute filter. I'd buy a HEPA vac from the start. My 2cents.
 
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Hello Changeling,

I know this will sound expensive, but give it some serious consideration before you throw it out. About 2 years ago, my wife and I began a search for a new vacuum cleaner. After a considerable amount of research, we settled on a central vacuum system. It's the "Beam" brand and the unit itself has a lifetime warranty. We first thought adding this to an established dwelling was impractical if not impossible...not so. As for the cost, we covered two floors, a total of 2300 sq. ft. for $1450 INSTALLED! An Electrolux cannister machine sells for $1495. It only took them them (one man actually) one day to install it. Since we have been dedicated Electrolux users for over 30 years, this price was acceptable to us.

The central system works great. It has considerably better suction than self contained systems. The motor can be larger and more power since you don't have to drag it around. All the exhaust, although quite adequately filtered, goes outside the house....absolutely no musty smell like we used to have when we ran the vacuum. The cannister needs to be emptied occassionally, but no filters need be replaced. And, they are significantly quieter since the noise is outside. Our unit, BTW, is in the garage. These things are touted as THE answer for people with allergy problems. Another huge advantage is that the wand, if that's what you call it is significantly lighter and easier on the ole back than either a cannister or upright self-contained unit.

The only exception to this utopia I would point out is that you should wear a mask when you empty the cannister. Or, better yet, get someone else to empty it if you have serious allergy problems.

Just food for thought. Good Luck!
 
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Marcus all these things are "Thoughts", I am going to investigate all options.
Randy, interesting, I will check them out.
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Randy M,
I agree that central vac systems are a great way to go. Not convinced that they always suck better than a canister, however. Even though the motor unit of a CVS can far outshine a portable, I would be surprised if the piping and 30 foot hose that's standard for CVS didn't reduce sucking power to about that of a high-end canister with a 6 foot hose. Having said that, my wife and I once rented an apartment with a CVS and we really liked it.

changeling, here's a mid-priced unit I came across on sale:
http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping...m-vacuums.html

Won't suck like the high-ends but can get you started at a bargain.
 
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