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Old 06-05-03, 10:37 AM
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Question existing Chubb system

I think I already know the answer to my question from reading the forum, but here goes...I recently moved my small business to a new facility which has an existing Chubb monitored system with panel, keypad, siren, two door sensors, and two motion detectors. The property's been vacant for several months, so there's no monitoring agreement. All appears to be functional with zone LEDs lighting, etc. I've disconnected the telephone wire, but everything else is intact. (If Chubb uses another manufacturer's equipment, I haven't looked to see the make/model, etc.)

I can't afford monitoring at this point, but it would be nice to have a working system dial my cell/pager on intrusions. Is there any way to reprogram the PIN and program the dialing, or must I buy a new panel, keypad, or both?

What options do I have? And, can you recommend a parts source?

Thanks in advance...
 
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Old 06-05-03, 10:38 AM
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Forgot to state the obvious...I have no idea what the PIN is...
 
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Old 06-05-03, 01:20 PM
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If you could look in the panel to see who makes the system, I could tell you more. But, for now, without the installer code, you usually can't do anything with those systems. I want to say Chubb uses DSC parts, I don't know why I'm thinking that (maybe I heard it somewhere?) So, I may be wrong about that. Either way, you may be able to default the system, but it's highly unlikely. Can't hurt to try. If that doesn't work, you could always just replace the control panel and keypad with something like a <a href="https://ssl105.securednshost.com/~safewatc/catalog/default.php/cPath/21_30_54">Concord Express</a> or, if it's a DSC panel, you could just replace the panel with a <a href="https://ssl105.securednshost.com/~safewatc/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_31/products_id/338">DSC 632</a>. You wouldn't really need a keypad, so you could just get a new panel and replace the board.

Let me know what kind of system is in there, and I'll see if there's anything we can do with it.

Good luck!
 
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Old 06-09-03, 11:31 AM
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existing Chubb system

Brandon, thanks for the reply. Upon further inspection, the system is a Detection Systems, Inc model DS7060. The copyright on the label is 1996. The label lists an information manual #30658 rev. E. Also, there is a handwritten series of numbers near the keypad section of the terminal wiring diagram. "400" and "-1840" below the 400.

There is also a warning that transformer, battery, and phone line should be disconnected for servicing. Is that what you mean by "default the system?"

I tried the handwritten numbers on the keypad, but basically any five keys pressed result in the same "three-beep" tone. The power led is lit (because of interruption, I'm sure), but the status led is lit as well, and I'm not sure what that means.

What do you think?
 
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Old 06-09-03, 12:32 PM
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Ok, you ready for this? Here's all the programming info I have on that system. It sounds like you may be better off just replacing the panel and keypad. But, if you can get it to work, this will be of some help.

Good luck!

Detection Systems DS7060 Program Sheet

Enter Program 9 8 7 6 + # + 0 (Keypad lights should start flashing)

Move to location 2-digit location + # + enter Data + #

Exit Program Hold * for2 seconds

Answer DL User Code + # + 8 + 6

Send To DL User Code + # + 8 + 3

Hex Program A = *0 B = *1 C = *2 D = *3 E = *4 F = *5



[01#] Zone Type (Enter 6 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

3 I_ ?__I Zone 1 0 = Disabled 7 = Perimeter Homeguard
4 I_ ?__I Zone 2 1 = Instant 8 = Perimeter Follower Homeguard
1 I_ ?__I Zone 3 2 = 24 Hour 9 = Silence Audible
5 I_ ?__I Zone 4 3 = Entry/Exit 1 A = Keyswitch Toggle
6 I_ ?__I Zone 5 4 = Interior Follower B = Keyswitch On/Off
7 I_ ?__I Zone 6 5 = Interior Home/Away C = Fire Zone with Verification

6 = Interior Instant D = Fire



[02#] Zone Bypass (Enter 6 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

1 I_ 1__I Zone 1 0 = No Bypassing Allowed
1 I_ 1__I Zone 2 1 = Bypassing Allowed
1 I_ 1__I Zone 3
1 I_ 1__I Zone 4
1 I_ 1__I Zone 5
1 I_ 1__I Zone 6



[03#] Zone Action (Enter 6 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Zone 1 0 = Alarm on Short, Alarm on Open
0 I_ 0__I Zone 2 1 = Alarm on Short, Trouble on Open
0 I_ 0__I Zone 3 2 = Alarm on Open, Trouble on Short
0 I_ 0__I Zone 4
0 I_ 0__I Zone 5
0 I_ 0__I Zone 6



[04#] Output Type (Enter 6 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

2 I_ ?__I Zone 1 0 = Invisible (Not Valid for Fire Zones)
2 I_ ?__I Zone 2 1 = Silent (Not Valid for Fire Zones)
2 I_ ?__I Zone 3 2 = Steady Alarm Output
2 I_ ?__I Zone 4 3 = Pulsing Alarm Output (PO3 only)
2 I_ ?__I Zone 5
2 I_ ?__I Zone 6



[05#] Zone Response Time (Enter 6 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Zone 1 0 = Default Response Time (300 ms)
0 I_ 0__I Zone 2 1 = Use Response Time Programmed in section 06
0 I_ 0__I Zone 3
0 I_ 0__I Zone 4
0 I_ 0__I Zone 5
0 I_ 0__I Zone 6



[06#] Programmed Response Time
Default
100 I___0__I___6__I___0__I (016 to 250 x.0.1 sec example: 100 = 1 second)

[07#] Zone Restoral Options (Enter 6 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Zone 1 0 = Restore when Sounders Silence
0 I_ 0__I Zone 2 1 = Restore with Zone
0 I_ 0__I Zone 3 2 = Restore when Disarmed or Reset
0 I_ 0__I Zone 4
0 I_ 0__I Zone 5
0 I_ 0__I Zone 6
0 I_ 0__I Zone 7
0 I_ 0__I Zone 8


[08#] Output Programming (Enter 3 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

6 I_ 6__I Programmable Output 1 (see list below for options)
3 I_ 3__I Programmable Output 2 (see list below for options)
2 I_ 2__I Programmable Output 3 (see list below for options)



0 = Intrusion 6 = Follow Burglar Zone
1 = ON during Entry Pre-Alert 7 = Follow Fire Alarm
2 = System Reset 8 = Follow Burg and Fire Alarm
3 = Armed 9 = Follow Keypad Sounder
4 = Ground Start A = Duress
5 = System Status [Ready to Arm] B = Trouble


[09#] User Control (Enter 5 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Duress Code (0=Code 14 is User Code 1=Code 14 is Duress Code)
0 I_ 0__I Guest Code (0=Code 15 is User Code 1=Code 15 is Guest Code)
0 I_ 0__I Arming Warning (0=No Alarm 1 = 2-Second Alarm)
0 I_ 0__I Keypad Audible in Exit Delay (0=Not Audible 1=Audible during Delay)
0 I_ 0__I Keyswitch Arming Warning (0=Not Audible 1=Audible Beeps w/Arming/Disarming)


[10#] General Control (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Siren on Comm Fail (0=No 1=Yes)
0 I_ 0__I Closing Ringback (0=No 1=Yes)
1 I_ 1__I Swinger Shunt (0=No 1=Yes)
0 I_ 0__I 60 / 50 Hz AC Power (0=60 Hz 1=50 Hz)
0 I_ 0__I Keypad Mode (0=Commercial Mode 1=Residential Mode)
0 I_ 0__I Quick Arm (0=Quick Arm Disabled 1=Quick Arm Enabled)

0 I_ 0__I Easy Exit (0=Easy Exit Disabled 1=Easy Exit Enabled)
0 I_ 0__I Force Arming (0=Disabled 1=Enabled 2=Auto Bypass Enabled)


[11#] Keypad Assignment (Enter 4 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

2 I_ 2__I Keypad 1 (0=Disabled 1=LED Keypad 2=LCD Alpha Keypad)
0 I_ 0__I Keypad 2 (0=Disabled 1=LED Keypad 2=LCD Alpha Keypad)
0 I_ 0__I Keypad 3 (0=Disabled 1=LED Keypad 2=LCD Alpha Keypad)
0 I_ 0__I Keypad 4 (0=Disabled 1=LED Keypad 2=LCD Alpha Keypad)



[12#] Private Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)

[13#] Zone 1 Alpha Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)

[14#] Zone 2 Alpha Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)

[15#] Zone 3 Alpha Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)

[16#] Zone 4 Alpha Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)

[17#] Zone 5 Alpha Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)


[18#] Zone 6 Alpha Label (Enter all letters then # to save and exit)


[19#] Special Keys (Enter 3 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 3__I Fire Key [A] (0=Disabled 1=Invisible 2=Steady 3=Pulsing)
0 I_ 1__I Help Key [B] (0=Disabled 1=Invisible 2=Steady 3=Pulsing)
0 I_ 2__I Panic Key [C] (0=Disabled 1=Invisible 2=Steady 3=Pulsing)


[20#] Report Controls (Enter 4 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

1 I_ ?__I Open/Close Reports* (1=Disabled 1=Enabled 2=O/C & Bypass)
1 I_ 0__I Open/Close Report Routing (0=Disabled 1=Phone 1 2=Phone 2 3=Both)
1 I_ 0__I Zone Report Routing (0=Disabled 1=Phone 1 2=Phone 2 3=Both)
1 I_ 0__I Other Report Routing (0=Disabled 1=Phone 1 2=Phone 2 3=Both)


[21#] Phone Number Controls (Enter 5 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 1__I Tone/Pulse Dial (0=Pulse 1=Tone with Pulse backup 3=Tone only)
0 I_ 0__I Download Callback (0=Callback Disabled 1=Callback Enabled)
0 I_ 9__I Ring Count (0=Disabled 1 - 9 Odd Number = Ans Mach Bypass)
0 I_ 0__I Dialer Delay on 24 Hr Alarms (0=No Dialer Delay 1=15 Second Dialer Delay)
0 I_ 0__I Dialer Delay Non-24 Hr Alarms (0=No Dialer Delay 1=15 Second Dialer Delay)


[22#] Dial Attempts (Enter 2 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

10 I_ 1__I_ 0__I (01 to 10)


[23#] Time Delays (Enter 9 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

045 I_ 0__I_ 3__I_ 0__I Entry Delay 1 Time (000 to 250 Seconds)
060 I_ 0__I_ 6__I_ 0__I Exit Delay Time (000 to 250 Seconds)
004 I_ 0__I_ 0__I_ 6__I Bell Cutoff Time (000 to 099 Minutes)


[24#] Keypad Report Codes (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Keypad Fire Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 2__I_ 0__I Keypad Fire Restoral Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 3__I_ 0__I Keypad Help Alarm Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 4__I_ 0__I Keypad Panic Alarm Report (00 to FF)


[25#] Zone Alarm Reports (Enter 12 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

10 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Zone 1 (00 to FF)
20 I_ 2__I_ 0__I Zone 2
30 I_ 3__I_ 0__I Zone 3
40 I_ 4__I_ 0__I Zone 4
50 I_ 5__I_ 0__I Zone 5
60 I_ 6__I_ 0__I Zone 6


[26#] Zone Restoral Reports (Enter 12 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 1 (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 2
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 3
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 4
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 5
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 6


[27#] Zone Trouble Reports (Enter 12 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 1 (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 2
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 3
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 4
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 5
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 6


[28#] Zone Trouble Restoral Reports (Enter 12 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 1 (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 2
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 3
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 4
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 5
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 6


[29#] Zone Bypass Reports (Enter 12 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 1 (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 2
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 3
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 4
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 5
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 6


[30#] Zone Bypass Restoral Reports (Enter 12 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 1 (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 2
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 3
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 4
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 5
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Zone 6


[31#] Open/Close/Duress Reports (Enter 10 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Open Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Close Report
00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Duress Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Partial Close Report
00 I_ 2__I_ 0__I First Open After Alarm (Cancel)


[32#] AC/Battery Reports (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Low Battery Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Low Battery Restoral Report
00 I_ 2__I_ 0__I AC Failure Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I AC Restoral Report


[33#] Programming Reports (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Remote Program Successful (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Remote Program Unsuccessful
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Local Program Successful Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Local Program Unsuccessful Report


[34#] System Reports (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Fuse Fault Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Fuse Restoral Report
00 I_ 2__I_ 0__I System Trouble Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I System Trouble Restoral Report


[35#] Misc System Reports (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Exit Error Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Recent Closing
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Comm. Failure Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I Comm. Restore Report


[36#] Test Reports, System Test (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Automatic Test Report (00 to FF)
00 I_ 1__I_ 0__I Communicator Test Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I System in Test Report
00 I_ 0__I_ 0__I System in Test Restoral Report



[37#] Account Codes (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0000 I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I Account Code for Phone 1 (0000 (Disabled) to FFFF)
0000 I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I Account Code for Phone 2 (0000 (Disabled) to FFFF)


[38#] Phone 1 Format (Enter all 3 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Phone Format (see list to the right) Formats
0 I_ 0__I Speed (0=10PPS 1=20PPS 2=40PPS) 0=Disabled
0 I_ 0__I Data Tones (0=1900 Data - 1400 Ack) 1=3/1
(1=1800 Data - 2300 Ack) 2=3/1 Extended
3=3/1 w/Parity
[39#] Phone 2 Format 4=3/1 Ext w/Parity
Default 5=4/1
0 I_ 0__I Phone Format 6=4/2

0 I_ 0__I Speed (0=10PPS 1=20PPS 2=40PPS) 9=Contact ID
0 I_ 0__I Data Tones (0=1900 Data - 1400 Ack) C=Personal Dial
(1=1800 Data - 2300 Ack) D = Hi Speed 4/9
F = Pager



[40#] Phone Number 1 digits 1-16 (Enter Phone Number then # to save and exit)

I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I


* = *1 *2 = # *3 = 3-Second Pause *4 = Wait for Dial Tone

[41#] Phone Number 1 digits 17-20 (Enter Phone Number then # to save and exit)

I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I


[42#] Phone Number 2 digits 1-16 (Enter Phone Number then # to save and exit)

I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I


[43#] Phone Number 2 digits 17-20 (Enter Phone Number then # to save and exit)

I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?___ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I


[44#] Download Phone Number digits 1-16 (Enter Phone Number then # to save and exit)

I_ 1__I_ 8__I_ 0__I_ 0__I_ 9__I_ 4__I_ 8__I_ 8__I_ 7__I_ 8__I_ 6__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I


[45#] Download Phone Number digits 17-20 (Enter Phone Number then # to save and exit)

I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I




[46#] Programmer and Master Codes (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

9876 I_ 9__I_ 8__I_ 7__I_ 6__I Programmers Pin (0000 to 99999)
1234 I_ 1__I_ 2__I_ 3__I_ 4__I Master Pin (0000 to 99999)


[47#] Default Programming (Enter digit then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 0__I Default Program (1=Default Entire System)


[48#] Auto Test Report Interval (Enter 1 digit then # to save and exit)

Default

0 I_ 1__I Test Report Interval (0=None 1=Daily 2=7 Days 3=28 Days)


[49#] Hours to First Auto Test Report (Enter 3 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

000 I_ ?__I_ ?__I_ ?__I Hours to 1st Report (001 to 023)


[50#] AC Failure Report Delay (Enter 3 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

000 I_ 0__I_ 6__I_ 0__I AC Faulure Report Delay Minutes (000 to 250)
 
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Old 06-10-03, 09:51 AM
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Whew!! Alright, I think I've got what I need, but I have what may be a stupid question...In the programming sequences, what do the "I" characters represent? For example:

[46#] Programmer and Master Codes (Enter 8 digits then # to save and exit)

Default

9876 I_ 9__I_ 8__I_ 7__I_ 6__I Programmers Pin (0000 to 99999)
1234 I_ 1__I_ 2__I_ 3__I_ 4__I Master Pin (0000 to 99999)

If I can get into programming mode (if the PIN hasn't been changed), I can enter this section 46 and enter new PINs. But the instructions say to enter 8 digits then # to save and exit. Since the PINs are 4 or 5 digits, what are the other 3 or 4 digits I enter (the "I"s)? If you count the "I"s and digits, there are 9, not 8.

Hmmm...this is going to be fun.
 
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Old 06-10-03, 10:01 AM
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Duh! I just realized that both the programmer and master PINs must be entered at the same time, thus the 8 digits. I guess the "I"s simply indicate inputs.

I'll give it a try and let you know if it works. By the way, would disconnecting the power and battery cause the system to default (resetting the PINs), or is there anything else I can do to default the system?

Thanks again.
 
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Old 06-10-03, 12:18 PM
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Yeah, the "I"'s are not really I's, they are just separators. That's just the way the program translated the separators that were in the help file.

Unfortunately, unplugging the system does not default it. Security systems have non-volatile memory, so it will keep it forever without power, if need be.

You can try the defaulting method in the other post, if you're lucky, it will work. If not, you'll be replacing it anyway.

Good luck!
 
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