Dsc PS1808 and PC5108 zones not triggering.

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Old 03-21-18, 12:00 PM
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Unhappy Dsc PS1808 and PC5108 zones not triggering.

Hey guys.

I someone will be able to assist me. I recently bought a house that was fitted with a PS1808 Alarm system.

Fitted to this Alarm system was the following:
  • PC1555RKZ key panel.
  • Evolution Series EV-KT1 wireless remote system ( reads as a DSC 5132 on the alarm )
  • 3 door contacts
  • 5 Pet friendly PIR
  • 3 Panic buttons
all the above was configured into 1 Partition with the following Zone configuration:
  1. Wendy house ( PIR ) (Zone Definition 03 Instant alarm)
  2. TV Room ( PIR ) (Zone Definition 03 Instant alarm)
  3. Study ( PIR ) (Zone Definition 03 Instant alarm)
  4. Front door (Zone Definition 03 Instant alarm)
  5. Kitchen and Main Bedroom ( PIR's) (Zone Definition 05 Stay alarm)
  6. Garage Door (Zone Definition 03 Instant alarm)
  7. Kitchen Door (Zone Definition 03 Instant alarm)
  8. Panic Buttons (Zone Definition 16 24 hour panic alarm)

This was all and well then i got an alarm company to quote me on a armed response services and asked them to upgrade my system. they came back with some funny number which made it cheaper just to install a new alarm system... with this said i started to research the DSC systems and came across the DSC PC5108 ver2 Expansion modules and saw i can upgrade the keypad to an alpha numeric PK5500 LCD keypad.

Doing the sums it worked me out considerably cheaper to purchase 2 expansion modules and the keypad, and additional 2 PIR's a few recessed door contacts and 2 sets of Centurion i5 beams.

I installed the PK5500 Keypad with very little hassle did a *8 IC 902 to remove the old keypad and clear the fault codes. I proceeded to install both Expander modules with zones 8-16 and 17-24 configured respectively and all zone populated with a 5.6k resistor. After each installation i did the 902 code waited a minute and check unit was indeed supervised using 903.

After the installation of the last Module the following Supervised modules showed on the system:
  • Keypad 8
  • Zones 9-16
  • Zones 17-24
  • PC5132
And this is where the train got of the tracks...

I configured the zoning definitions of 001 and 002 marking all unused channels as 00 and for testing i assigned zone 9 as 03 with a door contact( fitted with 5.6k resistor) and zone 17 as 16 for a panic button( fitted with 5.6k resistor). the zones was also added to partition 1.

Yet the system didnt register the Open zone of the door contact nor did it recognize the Panic button. although the modules registerd... Am i missing something?

I then got onto the internet and i came across a thread with the following steps... ( but for testing only connecting 1 module )

Ken_in_Pittsburgh suggested the following:
I have a suggestion. If you're willing, we can try to narrow down the possibilities by going back to square one, then proceeding one step at a time. It could possibly help us to pinpoint the problem by eliminating variables. So here goes:

Power down (AC and battery). Remove everything connected to the board except the AC transformer connection, battery, one PK5500 keypad.

Power up. Set system clock (*6 Master Code 1 hhmm mmddyy ##)

Default the system (*8 Installer's Code 999 IC 999 ## ) .

Run module supervision (*8 IC 902). Wait one full minute, enter 903. Keypad should read: ENROLLED MODULES KEYPAD 8.

Power down (AC and battery). Connect one 5108 expander to the board. Set jumpers 1, 2, and 3 to ON OFF ON (for zones 17-24).

Power up. Set system clock. Run module supervision (*8 IC 902). Wait one full minute, enter 903. Keypad should read: ENROLLED MODULES KEYPAD 8 ZONES 17 TO 24. If it does NOT say ZONES 17-24, stop and report back.

Define zones 1-8 as null ( *8 IC 001 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ## ).

Wait one minute. Ready light should turn on.

Define zones 17-24 as Delay1 ( *8 IC 002 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ## ).

Assign zones 17-24 to Partition 1 ( *8 IC 204 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ## ).

Wait one minute. The ready light should be off. If it is, use the arrow key to scroll through the open zones; note which zones are open. Tell us the results of this last step.
After following the instructions above i still see the same results module registers but not reporting/triggering correctly on the zones.

Plus after the reset and reprogramming the original 8 zones i have a delay arm all of a sudden... i've set the time delays for the partitions to 0 but still i have a 30 second wait on the arming using either the control panel or the remote.

Can some one please point me in the correct direction??
 
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Old 03-21-18, 01:49 PM
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Quick update...

I've done a complete default reset once more...

I've changed the jumpers on
First expansion module to ON OFF ON to register zones 17-24
Second expansion module to OFF OFF ON to register zones 25-32

The control panel does recognize these changes and reports them as such under the supervision zone. yet still no trigger from either a open zone, time delayed zone or panic zone...

I've made my delay timers only 1 second that "gave" me my instant arm.
 
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How are you testing the zone inputs? Are you just dummy loading the input with the resistor, and then taking it loose, or are you using your field wiring?

The first and basic test is to take the wire/resistor off the zone input. If the zone shows open, then the problem is field wiring, if not, then there is a configuration problem.

By the model number you have you have a non North American model which can have small configuration differences from what most of us in this forum are familiar with. I think yours is equivalent to a PC-1832.

What keystrokes did you enter to set the zone types?
 
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MrRonFL, i've test the zones 5 different ways...

1. Loaded all the zones with 5.6k Resistors to simulate EOLR.
2. Loaded expansion module Zone 1 with a NC door contact that has a 5.6k resistor wired in series no additional wires.
3. Loaded expansion module Zone 8 with a NC/NO panic button also with a 5.6k resistor in series with about a 2 foot piece of wire. ( i tried both NC/NO circuits )
4. Removed all the resistors and set them 01/03 zones and other circuits from the expansion module and test arming and it armed.
5. used the same door contact and panic button on my main board and the zone registers and triggers if activated.

I'm completely stumped...
 
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Here is my entire configuration and installation process which i followed after the default:

Defaulted config start up no modules attached
*6 MC 1 time date
*8 IC 902 followed 1 min later by 903 confirmed only the keypad8 is listed

Shut down Added Expansion module 1 Zones 17-24
*6 MC 1 time date
*8 IC 902 followed 1 min later by 903 confirmed the Keypad8 and 1st expansion module is listed

Shut down Added Expansion module 2 Zones 25-32
*6 MC 1 time date
*8 IC 902 followed 1 min later by 903 confirmed the Keypad8, 1st expansion and second module is listed

Shut down Added Remote receiver
*6 MC 1 time date
*8 IC 902 followed 1 min later by 903 confirmed the Keypad8, 1st expansion, second module and the DSC5132 module is listed

*8 IC 001 04 04 04 03 05 03 03 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
*8 IC 002 03 16 04 03 05 03 03 00 03 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 ( defined 4 zones for testing using a door contact and panic button )

*8 IC 005 01 001 001 001 ( Using remotes to arm and disarm the alarm no need for delayed times )
*8 IC 005 09 002

*8 IC 009 10 10

*8 IC 013 - - 3 - - - 7 -
*8 IC 014 1 - 3 4 - 6 - -
*8 IC 015 1 2 - 4 - - - 8
*8 IC 016 1 2 - - 5 - - -
*8 IC 017 1 2 - - - - 7 8
*8 IC 018 - - - - 5 - - -

*8 IC 201 1 - - - - - - -
*8 IC 202 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Zones 1 -8
*8 IC 203 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Zones 9-16 ( was already configured )
*8 IC 204 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Zones 17-24 ( expansion module 1 )
*8 IC 205 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 zones 25-32 ( expansion module 2 )

*8 IC 501 - - 3 - - - - 8
*8 IC 502 1 2 - - - - - 8
*8 IC 503 - - - - - - 7 8
*8 IC 504 - - - 4 - - - 8
 
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Could you main control be version 2.X or lower? That the only other thing I can think of.

In that case you would be setting your jumpers using the lower chart on the installer manual: http://cms.dsc.com/download.php?t=1&id=15114
 
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Originally Posted by MrRonFL View Post
Could you main control be version 2.X or lower? That the only other thing I can think of.

In that case you would be setting your jumpers using the lower chart on the installer manual: http://cms.dsc.com/download.php?t=1&id=15114
I think my Key bus got damaged somewhere along the way...

I got Installer out and he also struggled for about 20 minutes getting 1 module to react... as soon as the system looses the power the module does not register again...

I made a few phone calls and did the math and decided to go buy myself a DSC PC1864 panel rather since then everything is working!

thanks for the assistants.
 
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Guys maybe there is one more thing you can assist me with...

I have an LED strobe light you give it a 12v supply and it flashes...

I have connected the strobe to my DSC PC1864 panel using PGM 01 ( default programming 10 ), i want this strobe to start flashing on any alarm event and keep flashing ( even after the bell stopped ) until the alarm gets disarmed.

Is this possible and how will I Program this?
 
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You select PGM option 10 (Latched system event). The default setting turnes it on for Burg, fire, panic, medical, supervisory, priority, and holdup, events; but you deselect the ones you don't want, in programming location 501.
 
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Your PC 1808 can only be programmed to use 8 Hardwired zones ... thats why u couldnt get them working .... hence the name 1808
 
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