Trim coil or Vinyl facia
#1
08-21-06, 05:41 AM
Trim coil or Vinyl facia
Getting ready to put vinyl siding on house. The gables have a rake or lineal and the area is covered by what looks like tongue and groove vertical wood. I'm probably going to use Wolverine vinyl siding. Looking for recommendation on whether to use trim coil or vinyl facia to cover the gable rake. I lean toward using the facia provided by Wolverine, but either it or trim coil - What do I use to transition to the horizontal vinyl siding I am going to put on. Wolverine instructions says to use undersill trim and F-Channel with vinyl facia, but unless I am missing something the F-channel will not receive the horizontal siding. It seems more likely to use either J-channel or possibly a vinyl lineal. If use one of these, does it just but up against the vinyl facia which would leave an exposed seem? Please advise. If trim coil is recommended - how far into the vertical wood and away from the rake do I put it? and then but up the lineal of J-channel? Or is there something about it that I am missing?
Thanks deans50
Thanks deans50
#2
08-21-06, 08:55 PM
Group Moderator
IMO, vinyl fascia is a royal pain. An F-channel is nailed to the bottom of the fascia and the bottom lip of the vinyl fascia hooks onto it. Sounds easy, but it's not. You also have a difficult time covering odd things with vinyl fascia- it's much easier to bend trim coil- especially when you have something wide to cover. And you can make it whatever size you need to- bend it around 1x2 drip edge, for instance. You can bend your own finish trim with trim coil to accept the fascia you make, if you like. There aren't too many pros who use vinyl fascia, I don't believe... and there's a reason for that.
#3
08-22-06, 03:58 AM
XSLEEPER,
Using the trim coil, do I then make two bends to cover the gable rake, lineal. Say a cover for the actual rake (2 1/2 - 3 1/2), then a bend of say 1/2 - 3/4 to drop over then edge of the rake/lineal then a bend to cover a portion of the wall and then cover it with channel to receive the horizontal siding? How far into the wall do I extend the trim coil?
Using the trim coil, do I then make two bends to cover the gable rake, lineal. Say a cover for the actual rake (2 1/2 - 3 1/2), then a bend of say 1/2 - 3/4 to drop over then edge of the rake/lineal then a bend to cover a portion of the wall and then cover it with channel to receive the horizontal siding? How far into the wall do I extend the trim coil?
#4
08-22-06, 04:53 AM
Group Moderator
Do you have a digital camera to take a picture of what you need to cover? I can't picture what you are asking. You can post the links to a file sharing website (such as photobucket or yahoo) and then post the link to the pictures here.
#5
08-23-06, 03:58 AM
Gable ends
Thanks for sticking with me XSLEEPER, Sorry I do not have a digital camera, but I have thought about getting one just for this project. Let me try it simpler. This is the sides of the house. There is your typical horizontal lap siding 9' up the wall. Then the triangle
from what would be the ceiling up is vertical wood siding. It is flat so I was not going to cover it with any backer. Then if we go to the the roof line on the tringle, there is a metal drip edge nailed to the roof under the edge of the shingle. Under the drip ege is a rake or lineal, say a 1x3or4, (actually about a 1/2or3/4x3or4) that runs up the roof line. So you see all of the 1/2 or 3/4 edge - like it is on top of the vertical wood siding. So I need to cover the 1x3 and its edge and then transition to horizontal siding as I am going to change to all horizontal siding from the bottom to the top. Where there is now an exposed edge on the wood rake or lineal, I want to leave the 1x3 - cover it and then transition to horizontal siding. I'm taking off the regular wall horizontal wood siding and putting on a backer board or sheathing or insulation.
from what would be the ceiling up is vertical wood siding. It is flat so I was not going to cover it with any backer. Then if we go to the the roof line on the tringle, there is a metal drip edge nailed to the roof under the edge of the shingle. Under the drip ege is a rake or lineal, say a 1x3or4, (actually about a 1/2or3/4x3or4) that runs up the roof line. So you see all of the 1/2 or 3/4 edge - like it is on top of the vertical wood siding. So I need to cover the 1x3 and its edge and then transition to horizontal siding as I am going to change to all horizontal siding from the bottom to the top. Where there is now an exposed edge on the wood rake or lineal, I want to leave the 1x3 - cover it and then transition to horizontal siding. I'm taking off the regular wall horizontal wood siding and putting on a backer board or sheathing or insulation.
#6
08-23-06, 05:17 AM
Group Moderator
good description, that helps a lot. So you have no soffit at all- the fascia is nailed right to the vertical siding, and you have a 3/4" lip there.
What I would do is bend a piece of fascia cover that also acts like a j-channel for your siding. Let's say that your fascia is a 1x4 that measures 3 1/2" wide. The piece of metal I would bend would have a 1/2" hem on top, which is just a 1/2" bend 180 degrees that has been crushed flat... then it would be 4 1/4" in front... then it would bend 180 degrees and go back up 3/4", then it would bend 90 degrees and go back toward the siding and cover the bottom edge of the fascia which is 3/4", then it would bend 90 degrees and go down the siding about 1 3/4" or so. You would attach the piece just like you would a j-channel, and there would be no face nails showing. The total of those measurements is 8", which means you would get 3 pieces out of a 24" wide rip of trim coil.
If that seems to complicated, you could use j-channel and a simple flat piece of coil with maybe a 3/8" hem or kickout bend on the bottom, but then the fascia cover would have to rely on face nails to stay on. You might even want to silicone behind it so that the wind never vibrates it loose.
What I would do is bend a piece of fascia cover that also acts like a j-channel for your siding. Let's say that your fascia is a 1x4 that measures 3 1/2" wide. The piece of metal I would bend would have a 1/2" hem on top, which is just a 1/2" bend 180 degrees that has been crushed flat... then it would be 4 1/4" in front... then it would bend 180 degrees and go back up 3/4", then it would bend 90 degrees and go back toward the siding and cover the bottom edge of the fascia which is 3/4", then it would bend 90 degrees and go down the siding about 1 3/4" or so. You would attach the piece just like you would a j-channel, and there would be no face nails showing. The total of those measurements is 8", which means you would get 3 pieces out of a 24" wide rip of trim coil.
If that seems to complicated, you could use j-channel and a simple flat piece of coil with maybe a 3/8" hem or kickout bend on the bottom, but then the fascia cover would have to rely on face nails to stay on. You might even want to silicone behind it so that the wind never vibrates it loose.
#7
08-24-06, 03:17 AM
Trim or Facia
XSleeper,
Boy you know your siding. That was exactly the information I wanted. I'll probably do it the simpler way and employ some silicon.
That was right. No soffit on this end. Just the facia transition to the vertical siding. It is so much easier when you know what will work and how to do it. It was just the transition I was not dure about so as not to leave a water seam. You might see me posting again as I get into it.
Boy you know your siding. That was exactly the information I wanted. I'll probably do it the simpler way and employ some silicon.
That was right. No soffit on this end. Just the facia transition to the vertical siding. It is so much easier when you know what will work and how to do it. It was just the transition I was not dure about so as not to leave a water seam. You might see me posting again as I get into it.
