replacing wood siding with vinyl
#1
08-10-08, 12:30 AM
replacing wood siding with vinyl
Hi,
I am looking to replace the wood siding on a very small section of my home with vinyl myself, but I have a few questions regarding this. I am new at this.
I peeked underneath the wood, there is a layer of building paper and then a wood board.
This is what I want to do:
1) rip out wood siding, and building paper
2) install a polystyrene foam on top of the wood board. Should I be nailing this in? and then sealing the edges with tuck tape?
3) Then I want to put building paper on top of the board. Is this meant to be glued in or nailed?
4) Now should I install strapping or is it not needed now?
5) Now I install the vinyl siding. This part my friend who knows will show me how.
I had gotten some conflicting information from a how-to pamplet, where they said to caulk first, then install strapping, then building paper, then insulation, then side. So I just want to run by you guys to see if what I wanted to do makes sense.
Thanks.
I am looking to replace the wood siding on a very small section of my home with vinyl myself, but I have a few questions regarding this. I am new at this.
I peeked underneath the wood, there is a layer of building paper and then a wood board.
This is what I want to do:
1) rip out wood siding, and building paper
2) install a polystyrene foam on top of the wood board. Should I be nailing this in? and then sealing the edges with tuck tape?
3) Then I want to put building paper on top of the board. Is this meant to be glued in or nailed?
4) Now should I install strapping or is it not needed now?
5) Now I install the vinyl siding. This part my friend who knows will show me how.
I had gotten some conflicting information from a how-to pamplet, where they said to caulk first, then install strapping, then building paper, then insulation, then side. So I just want to run by you guys to see if what I wanted to do makes sense.
Thanks.
#2
08-10-08, 06:23 AM
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Don't use vinyl siding!
STOP, do not install vinyl siding. You will be sorry for as long as you keep it! 
The previous owners of my house ripped off all of the wood siding and removed the underlying plywood before installing vinyl. The house lost much of its structural integrity. (Something the inspector didn't explain to us before we purchased it.) Birds pecked large holes in to the house and built nests in the walls. As did other critters once the holes were there. It took 2 seasons of living with wildlife in the walls to decide to replace the vinyl.
We used a cement fiber board, Hardiboard from Home Depot or Lowes, that looks like wood when painted. We went all the way around the house with it. Good news: no more birds! Better news: it is fire retardant so we got a discount on our home owners insurance!!!
The previous owners of my house ripped off all of the wood siding and removed the underlying plywood before installing vinyl. The house lost much of its structural integrity. (Something the inspector didn't explain to us before we purchased it.) Birds pecked large holes in to the house and built nests in the walls. As did other critters once the holes were there. It took 2 seasons of living with wildlife in the walls to decide to replace the vinyl.
We used a cement fiber board, Hardiboard from Home Depot or Lowes, that looks like wood when painted. We went all the way around the house with it. Good news: no more birds! Better news: it is fire retardant so we got a discount on our home owners insurance!!!
#3
08-10-08, 07:41 AM
Why use vinyl on a small section?
I agree with the previous poster. Why would you want to use vinyl when the rest of the home is covered with wood?
I have seen many of these patch jobs on home and they just don't look good. Buy wood. You'll be happier in the long run.
I have seen many of these patch jobs on home and they just don't look good. Buy wood. You'll be happier in the long run.
#4
08-10-08, 07:55 AM
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Hmmmm could be plenty of reasons...maybe this is the only little section of siding (like on some brick homes). Or a small addition with wood done poorly.
Millions of homes have vinyl siding that lasts years and years with very little maintenance.
Buegirl...there's plenty of folks who can tell you the exact install method. Pictures would probably help. Give 'em a chance to wake up.
Millions of homes have vinyl siding that lasts years and years with very little maintenance.
Buegirl...there's plenty of folks who can tell you the exact install method. Pictures would probably help. Give 'em a chance to wake up.
#5
08-10-08, 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Gunguy45
Hmmmm could be plenty of reasons...maybe this is the only little section of siding (like on some brick homes). Or a small addition with wood done poorly.
Millions of homes have vinyl siding that lasts years and years with very little maintenance.
Buegirl...there's plenty of folks who can tell you the exact install method. Pictures would probably help. Give 'em a chance to wake up.
Millions of homes have vinyl siding that lasts years and years with very little maintenance.
Buegirl...there's plenty of folks who can tell you the exact install method. Pictures would probably help. Give 'em a chance to wake up.
My thoughts exactly Gunguy45.
#6
08-10-08, 07:19 PM
I have added pictures.
I want to replace all the wood sidings on my house with vinyl. Most of my house is covered in stucco/concrete and the wood siding covers about 900 square feet (garage and front of house). Of that, only half is actually covering my house. The other is covering my garage which is "attached" to my house only at a small spot. Otherwise the garage is a separate unit, and it is not heated in any way.
The only company I was able to get a hold quoted me $7500 to put vinyl over the wood sidings. Since roughly 1/2 of the wood sidings are rotten, I would assume that 7500 is the very very bare minimum. If i wanted the wood ripped out, it would be extra $1500. If I wanted insulation (which I will need after the wood is gone), he had to reestimate, so I didnt bother. If i wanted to replace the wood siding with wood, it was $18,000.
I feel it is very pricey considering that I only have ~900 square feet to reside, which is why I am attempting to do this on my own. I have considered wood, and may still pick it, but I like the look of vinyl better, and in my neighbourhood, vinyl siding seems to increase the resell value more so than wood.
Given I am a beginner, I would not consider residing with hardiboard. Residing with wood looks simplest to me because I can somewhat reverse engineer the current siding. However as i mentioned before, I would prefer vinyl.
To see if I can do this by myself (well with my family, all beginners), I want to reside a very small section of my house. In picture 1, the portion is the second floor siding. It measures 31 x 3 feet. The issues I can see so far is how to end the outside trim where it meets the stucco/concrete, as you can see in picture 2.
And also, how to deal with the windows, picture 3. The window trim is vinyl, and one piece with the window. It allows the wood siding to extend in about 1 1/2 inches. I am not sure how the j channel will work since all the guides/houses I looked at do not have windows that allow this extending in (unless with a jchannel). Is this a built in jchannel?? The windows were replaced last year.
As I had mentioned before, I want to rip out the wood siding and then put in about 1/2 inch of polystryrene, then tyvek or building paper. The only other thing that concerns me is the thickness of all this compared to the exisiting wood sidings because I need to make sure i can still fit it in the window sides.
I know this is a big job, and I am so new, but I am confident that I can do it. I just the knowledge, and if it didnt work, well, it is not like I can't still call the siding company. I figure the material/equipment cost for this section I want to try out would run about 400$.
I should also mention, I am not looking to replace the soffet, facsia, etc. Only the siding and trims.
I want to replace all the wood sidings on my house with vinyl. Most of my house is covered in stucco/concrete and the wood siding covers about 900 square feet (garage and front of house). Of that, only half is actually covering my house. The other is covering my garage which is "attached" to my house only at a small spot. Otherwise the garage is a separate unit, and it is not heated in any way.
The only company I was able to get a hold quoted me $7500 to put vinyl over the wood sidings. Since roughly 1/2 of the wood sidings are rotten, I would assume that 7500 is the very very bare minimum. If i wanted the wood ripped out, it would be extra $1500. If I wanted insulation (which I will need after the wood is gone), he had to reestimate, so I didnt bother. If i wanted to replace the wood siding with wood, it was $18,000.
I feel it is very pricey considering that I only have ~900 square feet to reside, which is why I am attempting to do this on my own. I have considered wood, and may still pick it, but I like the look of vinyl better, and in my neighbourhood, vinyl siding seems to increase the resell value more so than wood.
Given I am a beginner, I would not consider residing with hardiboard. Residing with wood looks simplest to me because I can somewhat reverse engineer the current siding. However as i mentioned before, I would prefer vinyl.
To see if I can do this by myself (well with my family, all beginners), I want to reside a very small section of my house. In picture 1, the portion is the second floor siding. It measures 31 x 3 feet. The issues I can see so far is how to end the outside trim where it meets the stucco/concrete, as you can see in picture 2.
And also, how to deal with the windows, picture 3. The window trim is vinyl, and one piece with the window. It allows the wood siding to extend in about 1 1/2 inches. I am not sure how the j channel will work since all the guides/houses I looked at do not have windows that allow this extending in (unless with a jchannel). Is this a built in jchannel?? The windows were replaced last year.
As I had mentioned before, I want to rip out the wood siding and then put in about 1/2 inch of polystryrene, then tyvek or building paper. The only other thing that concerns me is the thickness of all this compared to the exisiting wood sidings because I need to make sure i can still fit it in the window sides.
I know this is a big job, and I am so new, but I am confident that I can do it. I just the knowledge, and if it didnt work, well, it is not like I can't still call the siding company. I figure the material/equipment cost for this section I want to try out would run about 400$.
I should also mention, I am not looking to replace the soffet, facsia, etc. Only the siding and trims.
Last edited by buegirl; 08-10-08 at 07:42 PM.
#7
08-11-08, 05:55 AM
Vinyl is final. I.M.O., if you are O.K. w/the look of vinyl, use it. It's cheaper than other products, you'll never have to paint it, replace it, or anything else for that matter if it's installed correctly other than give it a bath every so often.
Do you have a reason other than increased R-value for installing rigid insulation? Your home looks to be built in an era in which proper insulation was used in the wall cavities. Take a good look at the R-values printed right on the insulation boards themselves. It takes a fairly thick board to gain any type of increased R-value that makes it worth the added expense and technicalities you're going to encounter with your installation.
My advice, go with what you got. Strip the siding, Tyvek, tape the seams and a correct installation of your new vinyl and you'll have a good looking, maintenance free home to enjoy!
Do you have a reason other than increased R-value for installing rigid insulation? Your home looks to be built in an era in which proper insulation was used in the wall cavities. Take a good look at the R-values printed right on the insulation boards themselves. It takes a fairly thick board to gain any type of increased R-value that makes it worth the added expense and technicalities you're going to encounter with your installation.
My advice, go with what you got. Strip the siding, Tyvek, tape the seams and a correct installation of your new vinyl and you'll have a good looking, maintenance free home to enjoy!
#8
08-23-08, 11:25 AM
I'd concur that stripping and adding Tyvek, then using vinyl is going to work well for you. Your standard J-channels are just going to butt up against your windows' trim. As an aside, it's nice that they used a wide vinyl trim on those windows.
Off topic: I have to cast my vote for hardiboard though. I just ripped off the vinyl siding from my 1920 bungalow and replaced with hardiboard. It was not only easy to install (use a masonry blade and a chop saw to cut it), it allowed a much easier method of retaining (restoring in my case) the look of the home. With that said, I've seen some vinyl that from a distance will look more like your original wood than hardi will...
Good luck!
Off topic: I have to cast my vote for hardiboard though. I just ripped off the vinyl siding from my 1920 bungalow and replaced with hardiboard. It was not only easy to install (use a masonry blade and a chop saw to cut it), it allowed a much easier method of retaining (restoring in my case) the look of the home. With that said, I've seen some vinyl that from a distance will look more like your original wood than hardi will...
Good luck!
