Double picket fence gates sag...


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Old 03-02-16, 06:27 AM
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Double picket fence gates sag...

Will Anti-Sag Gate Kits like these top 2 pics work for gates on double picket fence that are sagging or are there a different type(s) of Anti-Sag Gate Kit specifically made to work with double picket fence gates like the bottom 4 pics?

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Two different double picket fence gates that are sagging...
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Old 03-02-16, 07:11 AM
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Second picture down, if the hinges are on the right (hard to see with that shadow) that turn buckle and cross buck is on the wrong side.
The other two gates just have a really poor design and are not going to work.
They need to be rebuilt more like that second picture.
There also should be more of a gap at the bottom of the door, 1" would work.
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You first must determine if the gate structure needs help or is the gate post leaning due to the weight of the date.
 
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Old 03-02-16, 10:24 AM
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It's hard to tell for certain, but it appears that the issue has nothing directly to do with the doors. If that's the case (and I believe it is), nothing associated with the doors themselves will work short of cutting off a piece at the bottom.

It looks to me that at least one door is not supported directly by a post. Instead, the door is hinged to a section of fence and the fence is sagging.

Simply, I would put a satisfactory post in place and attach the door to it.
 
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It's hard to tell for certain, but it appears that the issue has nothing directly to do with the doors. If that's the case (and I believe it is), nothing associated with the doors themselves will work short of cutting off a piece at the bottom.

It looks to me that at least one door is not supported directly by a post. Instead, the door is hinged to a section of fence and the fence is sagging.

Simply, I would put a satisfactory post in place and attach the door to it.
The thread is about gates.
 
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Old 03-02-16, 03:05 PM
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"You first must determine if the gate structure needs help or is the gate post leaning due to the weight of the date." per Wirepuller38

As someone who never makes mistakes once said:

"The thread is about gates." per Wirepuller38

It's always best to make certain you're perfect before you criticize others. I guess some doors swing both ways - or is it gates?

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due to the weight of the date.
due to the weight of the gate. Thanks, TonyP.
 
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Old 03-03-16, 02:29 AM
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Joe, the cabling in the second picture is correct. Hinge high to latch low will pull the latch side of the gate upward. Still not the best solution. The first picture is absolute. I use the steel anti-sag kits for all my gates, and have never had a failure. I would recommend rebuilding the gates and attaching the kit to a solid gate post.
 
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Thanks!
My apologies for all the pics and not being more clear...FWIW, the tops 2 pics (including the second picture down) are simply examples of Anti-Sag Kits that I found online for single picket fence gates.

I'm working on 2 double picket fence gates that sag. The bottom 4 pics are the front & back of both. With that said, my priory is this one...If more pics, would be helpful, please let me know what pics you'd need to see.

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Our posts crossed. The design of your gates won't lend to using any type of anti sag kit. Maybe a redesign similar to the top one would work. You could always add pickets to the other side if you wanted.
 
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I want to get back to what I originally included in the thread. As the current photo shows, your gate is not connected directly to a post. Instead, it is connected to a small section of fence and that piece is attached to the post. The small fence section is separating from the post near the top causing the gate to dip.

Beyond that, the hinges may not be adequately attached to the gate. It may be that rotting has occurred, adding to the sag.

I believe you should place a post closer to the gate and attach the gate directly to it. Assuming you create a post deep and firm enough to handle the weight (which should be easy), your problem should be solved. An simpler alternative if the measurements work, may be to bolt or screw a 2X4 to the existing post and attach the gate to it.

Beyond that, your hardware looks quite weathered and you may not be able to salvage much.

BTW, thanks to Wirepuller38 for correcting my original, dumb wording.
 
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Originally Posted by Tony P.
I want to get back to what I originally included in the thread. As the current photo shows, your gate is not connected directly to a post. Instead, it is connected to a small section of fence and that piece is attached to the post. The small fence section is separating from the post near the top causing the gate to dip.

Beyond that, the hinges may not be adequately attached to the gate. It may be that rotting has occurred, adding to the sag.

I believe you should place a post closer to the gate and attach the gate directly to it. Assuming you create a post deep and firm enough to handle the weight (which should be easy), your problem should be solved. An simpler alternative if the measurements work, may be to bolt or screw a 2X4 to the existing post and attach the gate to it.

Beyond that, your hardware looks quite weathered and you may not be able to salvage much...
Thanks!
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I try to be encouraging and explained what to do, but I've gotta say I wouldn't do it. If you're looking for a project, far and away the best thing to do is make yourself a new gate. There doesn't seem to be enough there to attach a screw.

Start by making certain the posts are strong, then build a new gate and attach it. Consider 1X4 pressure treated boards. You shouldn't have trouble finding specifics.
 
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One correction i see that needs to be made is longer screws are needed to attach the hinges. The new hinge screws should go through the board on the post(a new board is needed) and into the post. The hinge screws into the gate should go through the face boards and into the gate framing members. Pre-drill for all hinge screws to avoid splitting the boards.
 
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After further review, I think I may have to rebuild at least from the left side, where it's attached to the house as well as the gate...Who knows..This may end up being a full replacement but we shall see.

One thing I noticed about my neighbors fence that's different from mine, and which I like better than mine is how his gate framing 2x4s are installed. My 2x4s are installed so the hinges have to be attach the 2" part, while his 2x4s are installed so the hinges have to be attached to the 4" part.

With my 4" part facing top and bottom, it does a couple of things I don't like. First, it leaves a much larger gap to see through and therefore much less privacy. Second, the 4" part on top apparently acts like a mini flat roof that holds water when it rains...I just pressure washed the entire fence and the mold build up on the 4" tops was very thick.
 

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If you use the gate kits, the hinges are part of the metal and aren't attached to the wood at all. It is a much better way to go.
 
 

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