Hi all,magnum-mike sayinn hey and nice forum.. Has anyone here shot any of the 22-accelerator rounds from remington though their 06. I just got a box from the local gun shop today and have not got to the range to try any so far. The guy at the gun shop said they do about 4000FPS+ he also said that they had been discontinued by remington? Any info would be most appreciated.

 

I remember reading an interesting article quite a while ago about these type cartriges and after a bit of searching I found it again.

http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March02.htm

 

Hi Mike Welcome to DIYS shooting Forum

I found this link that mentions how this round that was loaded by remington for the 30-30, .308 & 30-06 using a .22 cal 55 grain bullet. The 30-06 clocked @ 4080 fps.

Remington did drop these rounds, but is was not due to safety or accuracy problems. Sabots to roll your own can still be found today.

I think what killed the round, was if I wanted to varmint hunt, a heavy barreled 22-250 would be my 1st choice. I doubt that a thin barreled Mod 700 Remington with an accelerator would shoot as well. So how many deer hunters would buy this round more than once just to try it out?

Having said that we do have both heavy barreled .308s & 30-06s today. I hand load & my heavy barreled .308s prefer the Sierra #2275 175 grain Boat tail Hollow point Match King bullet from 100 to 1000 yards.

http://woodsdrummer.com/reducedloads.html

The link talks more of what hunters did with the 30-06 in days gone by, when they used bullets & speeds in the 30-06 to hunt everything from Grouse to Moose with the same rifle. Still a good choice for the one rifle hunter.

As the link says if the best your rifle will do is 2" at 100 yards that is what you will get with the accelerator. That may be fine for deer but not for a head shot on a Ground Hog at 300 yards.

I hope that I was able to shed some light on this novelty round for you. 4000 fps makes a real show with a 1 gallon milk jugs filled with colored water. I have been a handloader for 2 years, before these rounds came out in 1976 & have only bought Factory handgun rounds for self defence.

Mayby some of the others have used them, & will share their experiences with them.

Let us know what you think after you get back from the range, they may shoot real well for you. Then you will have to handload some of your own

 

Curious about something. This 22 caliber bullet riding out of a 30caliber bbl on the sabot never actually touches the rifling to leave the customary identifiable marks that relates it specifically to the rifle that fired it. Looks like this type of round could be trouble for law enforcement. Wonder if the sabot is marked in such a way it can be traced both to the rifle and the bullet? Even if so would make it necessary to recover both bullet and sabot for forensic evidence.

 

With todays highly frangable bullets eg Glaser Safety slugs. LE has started using brass/steel cases to indentify the chamber marks, firlng pin marks etc. Powder residue can even be traced back to canister/ noncanister lot #s.

This way even shotguns used in crime can be identified by the marks left on the brass part of a shot gun shell.

No place to run, no place to hide from the long arm of the Law

 

Thanks for all the replys guys.. I finaly made it to the range today,about 30 min befor closeing time I got to put 10rounds down range befor they closed. The first 5 put a hole less than a 1/2'' at a 100yards, the other 5 after the barrel heated up, didn't have time to let it cool put a hole just under an inch. This was from my custom owen 03 springfield, I was quite impressed to say the least. Anyway thanks for all the info.. MAGNUM sayinn later

 

I hope you are a handloader Mike. You can buy the sabots and use some of the Sierra .223 BTHPs in 52 69 & 80 grain bullets & get those groups down to .25 MOA.

If you get that good of results with a STD 55 grain bullet, just think of the possibilities

Nice Rifle, not your run of the mill deer rifle. Whos barrel and what twist did you go with?

I have been using Shilen SS BBLs on the M1As & found they need very little break in before they start busting Xs The cost is a little more than some, but they will shoot longer before replacement is needed.

Just curious Mike. How hot did your barrel get compared to your .30 cal load? Since friction plays a large part in heat build up, I wondered if a sabot with less friction made a noticable heat difference.

I lived in Sarasota for a while, what is the Tampa shooting clubs name, & do you have High Power matches? A URL if you have a web site would be great. My Folks live in Sebring & I am always looking for a place to shoot High Power Matches, when I visit them.

 

Hey marturo, i'm yet to get into handloading although I have been thinking of it with the price of ammo these days. I would like to see what a 55gr. FMJ 22cal. bullet traveling at 4000FPS would do to steel plate As for the rifle the barrel is a remington from what i've been told from ones that have looked at the gun. twist I don't know. This barrel heats up fast with any ammo these loads where about the same as with standered 30cal. I shoot at a range in dade city about 30 miles north of tampa called dade city rod and gun club,very nice range. And yes they have hi power matches once a month. Don't know if they have a web site,if they do i'll try and post it

 

Magnum Mike,
How much did the original point of impact vary from your normal hunting load?

A friend once tried the .30-30 version of the accelertor and 100 yard POI was 8" higher than his normal 150gr hunting load. I can best describe his results as a shot gun pattern. Based on what I saw, I chose not to invest my precious funds on accelerators.

Shoot Safe, Shoot Often,
Maxi-Ball

 

Thanks Mike sounds like a nice range If you can just get the dates of the High Power Matches, that would be great also.

When you get ready to start buying your handloading equipment I would be glad to give you some advice. Almost 30 years has taught me some very good lessons on what you need & what you dont My first 1903-A3 was a Remington, & I sold it to by an M1 to get into High Power, I sure miss that beauty.

Hi Maxi-Ball
When I first saw the accelerator offered in 30-30. I had to wonder why Remington would waste time with the 30-30 that in all but a few examples, are used in a dual stock Rifle not known for the accuracy of the 1 piece stock
bedded rifles.

Today with the little Black rifle (M16) stoked with a 75 or 80 grain bullet, it is giving the M-14s and M1s a run for their money, out to 600 yards. The .223 Match bullets coming out today, aren't your fathers 55 grain FMJs of yesteryear.

The link below given to us by scrollmaster sells Sabots for a few caliburs, & in the right rifle could make for some fun shooting.

http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March02.htm
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Marturo, only info I could find is a phone no. 352-521-3165 hours are from 9am-4pm open six days a week closed on thursday hope this helps.. Maxi-ball yes mine hit about 8-10'' higher than with 30cal stuff. But this is because of the lighter bullet and higher velocity. As far as your friends shotgun like pattern I dono maybe it's because it was a 30-30. anyway hope this helps MAGNUM sayinn later

 

Marturo,
Do you have any experience using the Sierra 69 BTHP on whitetail deer out of a .223 Remington?

We have successfully taken deer with 60gr Partitions and 64gr WW Power Points. I have a quantity of the Sierra 69's on hand and wondered if they would expand and then hold together? I know I am opening myself up to the flamers. We, my sons and myself, understand the limitations of the cartridge. We have yet to lose a deer.
Later,
Maxi-Ball

 

Maxi-Ball

Being a .30 cal man for so long it took me awhile to see just how potent, with proper shot placement the .223 cartridges were on Deer.

I live & hunt the Mountains & since there is climbing and two hands needed where we hunt my Son, & I built 2 pre-ban mini 30 in 7.62x39 bedded in butler creek folding stocks. The iron sights were replaced with compact 2x7 scopes. They lay right in the center of your back so you can use two hands to climb with.

A few of our High Power buddys had the mini 14s in .223, & built the same rigs. Our Deer here are wild as ell but not all that big so head & neck shots are what we go for. However 2 years ago Tracker as we call him, took a rare 115 yard shot at a 135 lb buck right through the pump. That Deer folded & slid down a small hill dead on impact with a Sierra 69 BTHP.

Sierra puts out a warning not to use their Match King bullets because they don't know how everyone is going to shoot. That 69 grain & the 168 to 175 BTHPs are the favored choice of Snipers & Deer hunters who can hold hard & hit their mark.

Maxi-Ball said:
I know I am opening myself up to the flamers.

Not here, not ever because I love the smell of Napalm in the Morning LOL + posters know the rules in here.

What Powder do you like in the .223? Have you tried the Vitivouri powders yet? In my 7.62x51 NATO (.308) it has almost no flash, & it is right on from lot to lot. Great stuff.

 

Maturo,

Not much time to chat this morning. Road trip.

Titewad that I am, I loaded up on Acurate 2200. When available, it was about $6.00 / pound in 8 lb jugs. I use it in .223, 7.62 X 39 and .30-30. Darn, I have only a couple pounds left I will have to look for another surplus powder soon.

Prior to that, AA2230 was my favorite for .223.

BTW, Try the Sierra .308 125gr HPFP-intended for 30-30-in your 7.62X39. In the SKS I had, it was a marvelous deer killer. Will also turn an armadillo inside out.

Maxi-Ball

 

MAGNUM MIKE & Maxi-Ball

Thanks guys for the information That's the great thing about this site. We can share our experiences & shoot the Bull. I like shooting the bull, it saves on powder LOL.

PS: I haven't seen any Armadillos up in these Mountains must be to cold for them. Now we do have Coyote moving in, & the Deer hunters get a few each season. I will have to check but I think it's open season all year on them.

 

I have been reloading for many years, since 1964, and have just about worn out the RCBS RockChucker I bought for about $50. I have been considering the use of 30 - 22 sabots for my 30 caliber rifles, a Garand, SKS and .308 Win on a Mauser action. I have read many pros and cons about sabots. I would have primarly been shooting the sabots in the .308. Since I already had dies for both 30-06 and 22/250 I decided on another approach. I sold the .308 and bought a Savage 110 in 30-06. Then on Gunbroker I found a 22-250 Savage 110 barrel for less than $75. I have the barrel vise and barrel wrench I use to change barrels along with the correct headspace gages. I can do the switch with out removing the scope. It takes a little longer than the 20 to 30 minutes suggested in the information I have read, about 40 minutes. The 22/250 impacts about 4 1/2" higher at 100 yards than the 30-06 but almost dead center horizontally. The 30-06 will group 1.75 to 2" and the 22/250 under 1.25" if I am careful, but this old man is not as steady as he used to be.

See:
http://www.switchbarrel.com

http://www.switchbarrel.com/Savage%20FAQ.hmt

 

I have been reloading now for over 60 yrs. developed several loads for my rifles. Just like tuning a engine what works on one may not work on another.
I have been reloading the accelertors now for about 12 years and love them. I have built my 06 with a Springfield action with thumhole stock (I built)a macth barrel and froze it at 300 below along with my M-1 match. I load them with 4895 at 60.1 and they work beautiful in both rifles and are very accurate. I have a (what they might call a sniper scope ) on the bolt action and the Grand is open sights. I use Nosler 75g bullets. We like to varmit hunt and they are very deadly. I've got cyotes out to 400 yds. they shoot wellin both rifles.