Garage ceiling support beam sizing
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Garage ceiling support beam sizing
I first posted this in the Basements, Attics and Crawl Spaces forum I guess that was the wrong place to post this. Any help is greatly appreciated.
The problem is the ceiling joists are 21' long 24" OC 2x4s. To make the problemn worse is the one of the previous owners put 1/2" sheetrock up there and then 10" of blow in fiberglass on top.
As you can imagine the whole ceiling is sagging about 6" in the center. I know I need to put a beam across the center to support the whole thing.
I need to build a beam that is 21'. The garage is 21x21. I will have to build this beam myself out of dimensional lumber for a few reasons. I would love to just use a gluelam.
On one side I have a window and the other a door. I can't just slide a beam up into place because of these obstacles. I plan to use scaffolding and assemble a beam with dimensional lumber above the window and door.
I know I will need to build a bigger headers above the window and door.
The attic above this garage will never be used for storage because of the insulation and the low roof.
This is a rafter roof so the beam will only be supporting the ceiling joists, sheetrock and insulation.
Any engineers out there that could give me an idea of what size lumber and how many I would need to glue together to support this ceiling?
Thanks Mike
The problem is the ceiling joists are 21' long 24" OC 2x4s. To make the problemn worse is the one of the previous owners put 1/2" sheetrock up there and then 10" of blow in fiberglass on top.
As you can imagine the whole ceiling is sagging about 6" in the center. I know I need to put a beam across the center to support the whole thing.
I need to build a beam that is 21'. The garage is 21x21. I will have to build this beam myself out of dimensional lumber for a few reasons. I would love to just use a gluelam.
On one side I have a window and the other a door. I can't just slide a beam up into place because of these obstacles. I plan to use scaffolding and assemble a beam with dimensional lumber above the window and door.
I know I will need to build a bigger headers above the window and door.
The attic above this garage will never be used for storage because of the insulation and the low roof.
This is a rafter roof so the beam will only be supporting the ceiling joists, sheetrock and insulation.
Any engineers out there that could give me an idea of what size lumber and how many I would need to glue together to support this ceiling?
Thanks Mike
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Hi Mike,
"I need to build a beam that is 21'. The garage is 21x21. I will have to build this beam myself out of dimensional lumber for a few reasons. I would love to just use a gluelam."
You will need a support post in the middle.
I don't have my span charts in front of me, but a double 2x8 or 10 will span 10.5'. You will need a support post in the middle.
Another option, and only you will know if this could work cause your on site, is to temporarily jack up and level your ceiling, then get in the attic with 2x6's and build trusses, attach the 2x6's to your ceiling rafters and the roof rafters. That is assuming you have 2x6 or bigger roof rafters, if they are 2x4 that won't work.
I'm surprised 2x4x21' at 24"OC with the rock and insulation is only sagging 6" !
Send a little more info: roof rafter size, roof pitch, sheating and roof covering, ..etc..
"I need to build a beam that is 21'. The garage is 21x21. I will have to build this beam myself out of dimensional lumber for a few reasons. I would love to just use a gluelam."
You will need a support post in the middle.
I don't have my span charts in front of me, but a double 2x8 or 10 will span 10.5'. You will need a support post in the middle.
Another option, and only you will know if this could work cause your on site, is to temporarily jack up and level your ceiling, then get in the attic with 2x6's and build trusses, attach the 2x6's to your ceiling rafters and the roof rafters. That is assuming you have 2x6 or bigger roof rafters, if they are 2x4 that won't work.
I'm surprised 2x4x21' at 24"OC with the rock and insulation is only sagging 6" !
Send a little more info: roof rafter size, roof pitch, sheating and roof covering, ..etc..

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I thought about making trusses but I have a couple of concerns. First off this is a hip roof so I don't know how I would tie into the rafters on the hip part.
Second the roof is overloaded as it is. The same people that sheetrocked the garage left 2 layers of asphalt roofing then stuck concrete tiles on top of that.
I really hate to put a post in the center but if I have to I certainly will. Since even 10' is a long span for those 2x4s I was also considering building 2 beams 5' apart.
Thank you very much for helping me with this.
Mike
Second the roof is overloaded as it is. The same people that sheetrocked the garage left 2 layers of asphalt roofing then stuck concrete tiles on top of that.
I really hate to put a post in the center but if I have to I certainly will. Since even 10' is a long span for those 2x4s I was also considering building 2 beams 5' apart.
Thank you very much for helping me with this.
Mike
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I would like to help you more, but you didn't answer "Send a little more info: roof rafter size, roof pitch, sheathing and roof covering, ..etc." I got the roof covering part and an indication that there is not much room in the attic, which would indicate a lower roof pitch.
"Second the roof is overloaded as it is. The same people that sheetrocked the garage left 2 layers of asphalt roofing then stuck concrete tiles on top of that."
That would be something to include in your original post.
What are the roof rafter dimensions and spacing??
From what you are describing it sounds like someone slapped together a structure with no basic construction knowledge.
If you don't truss it out then yes 2 beams would be needed, 2x4's spanning 10 ' don't work.
Give some more info, I'm sure there is someone reading your post that knows more or has a better way of dealing with this situation.
"Second the roof is overloaded as it is. The same people that sheetrocked the garage left 2 layers of asphalt roofing then stuck concrete tiles on top of that."
That would be something to include in your original post.

What are the roof rafter dimensions and spacing??
From what you are describing it sounds like someone slapped together a structure with no basic construction knowledge.
If you don't truss it out then yes 2 beams would be needed, 2x4's spanning 10 ' don't work.
Give some more info, I'm sure there is someone reading your post that knows more or has a better way of dealing with this situation.
