Tie two beams together? Seems bad.

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Old 07-22-19, 07:48 PM
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Tie two beams together? Seems bad.

This doesnít look right. My contractor tied two existing beams together with that middle patch instead of running a new header. I threw a couple studs under the joint where I could already see it sagging. Am I crazy or is this not the way he should have done this?

 
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I'm guessing there were supports removed to widen the opening? Is that a 2x4 below the beams being used as a bottom plate? If so it looks like the 2x4s on the vertical at the end of the beams are only supported by a 2x4 on the flat? Hard to tell from the pics, need a large/closer view of the second picture to see detail. From what I can make out it doesn't look like the beams connect at all??
 
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Correct

you're correct. they donít actually connect. They put a patch 2x4 bottom plate under the patches header. Hereís a second close up picture and a before picture showing the original support.
 
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Uh yeah, that looks jinky. Was any engineering done for this? If not that would be a big warning sign for me . Cantilever beams are allowed but I would think not in this application especially that right one. The 2x4 coming down between them which look to me like supports for something above need to travel to a beam or all the way to the ground for support.

I think the fact that you already see deflection indicates a problem.

The pros will be along do give you more info you can use.
 
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Btw... Not sure how many 2x4 supports you've added, but if it were me I'd throw some supports under each beam (2-2x4 nailed together) and another support (2 more 2x4's) under those three 2x4 that extend down to the bottom plate....at the very least until you get this explained/fixed.

Tie your supports at the floor together with a couple of long 2x4s on the vertical (or make a bottom plate for them) so they don't walk away under stress.
 
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Old 07-23-19, 04:05 AM
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So, what was the wall then and what is it now because there appears to be a room behind it?

Was it an exterior load bearing wall that had door walls and is now just an interior wall?
 
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Yes. The white tiled room behind it was an addition at some point.
 
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Old 07-23-19, 08:11 AM
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So the wall where the headers are at is still considered a load bearing wall for the house?

I think you know the answer if that is true!
 
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Haha. Correct. We had a nice argument this morning and he sent over his actual framing guys. They are doing it all correctly now. They couldn’t believe what the other guys had done. Thanks for confirming I wasn’t crazy.
 
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How about some pictures now and when finished framing.
 
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Repaired Correctly

proper supports on both sides of the wall to install the LVL beam and the finished product.
 
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Impressive on the contractors part that the discussion was this morning and he was able decide/design/procure and install an LVL in such short time.

I'm guessing there are span tables that allow this sort of thing.

Congrats
 
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