Basement wall tear down (Load bearing?)


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Old 05-23-20, 09:07 AM
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My tenant is moving out after several years and I am contemplating removing a wall to take over the apartment as part of my basement. My concern is that I do not want to rip down a load bearing wall. Any insight as to whether the wall in between "Cellar" and "Open Cellar" on this blueprint could be load bearing? Attached is also a picture of inside that wall.

 
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Old 05-23-20, 09:14 AM
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Moved to better forum. Deleted second thread.

Although the walls are not load bearing.... those 3-1/2" columns are and cannot be removed.
Looks like there are two columns inside that wall and one outside.
 
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Old 05-23-20, 09:25 AM
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Thanks PJ. Can you elaborate? Are you referring to where the beams are doubled up?

Is this indicated on any way in the blueprint (so I know for the future)? And could this be replaced with a column or something similar if I did want to lose the wall?
 
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Old 05-23-20, 09:41 AM
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Those three circles are the 3-1/2" columns in the description.
The second part is the description of the footing they are sitting on.

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Old 05-23-20, 09:49 AM
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Thanks for that, that makes sense. What is confusing is the one to the far right is in a spot that is outside the wall (in the middle of the room).
 
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Old 05-23-20, 09:56 AM
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Is there something there boxed in wood ?
There is a dotted line drawn from that column down in the print.
What is below that on the print ? Another column shown ?
 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:11 AM
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Nope. To the left there is a closet I put in awhile back for the apartment, where the door is shown on the blueprint. But that third dot is roughly where I am standing when taking that photo (in the middle of the room).
 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:24 AM
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I didn't realize you had posted a picture. We can't see it. It's a private google user image. Only you can see it. You can make it public or post it directly here..... How-to-insert-pictures.

I added a purple arrow to my excerpt of your diagram. That is shown as a second load bearing line in your house. You may be looking at a wall there but is there another column in line with that purple arrow ?
If not.... some changes were made that are not shown on those plans.
 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:25 AM
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You say the beam is doubled up. The plan shows the beams are 2'4" apart. In short, none of the beam columns, wherever they are, can be removed. If there are columns inside that wall, they cannot be removed. The wall can be removed, the columns cannot. If things werent done as drawn on the plan then the plan isn't doing us much good.

If a column was removed where the plan shows there should be a column, that is a red flag.
 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:34 AM
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Here is the image. This is looking straight into the wall from the "Open Cellar." Where the door opening is represented, there was a closet built coming into this area.

 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:38 AM
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If there are no steel columns where the plan shows them, then its possible someone substituted load bearing walls for the columns and the steel beam is sitting on top of the wall. Or it could be that the steel columns are to the left and right of this section of wall. We have no way of knowing. Columns are enclosed inside walls all the time. Unless you tear off sheetrock you wont know where they are. All we know at this point is that there is no steel column in "that section" of wall. That doesn't necessarily tell is if it can be removed or not. But the doubled studs are concerning. They must be there for a reason.
 
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I believe the W 10 X 22 designates a steel support beam.
So you could probably widen the doorway back to that column but that is it unless you want to box it in.

Just saw the picture so the above is sort of useless.
Also your drawing is useless as they did not follow it or someone modified it after construction.

 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:43 AM
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No steel columns.
They could have substituted wood but that plan shows exclusive footings where the loads are supposed to be.
 
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Old 05-23-20, 10:50 AM
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So needless to say, sounds like that wall needs to stay but the opening could we widened to that first double beam on the left.
 
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Old 05-23-20, 11:11 AM
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So you could probably widen the doorway back to that column but that is it unless you want to box it in.
Without knowing the full story there..... removing any framing is not recommended.
 
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Absolutely.

I do not see anything that looks like a support column either wood or steel.
So is the steel beam there?
Is the support footing there?

If yes then you could install steel column and then open it up.
Also what about the other steel beam they show 2'4" over.

You have too many unknowns here!!!!!
 
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Old 05-23-20, 11:24 AM
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Thanks all. What would you suggest as a next step to get some of these unknowns settled? I have tried reaching out to my architect and builder to no avail (house was built in 2005). I guess I should get another architect to review, or just bring in contractors to have a look and not do anything further.
 
 

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