enamel vs laytex vs oil paint for table


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Question enamel vs laytex vs oil paint for table

Ok hopefully someone can explain the pros/cons of these.
Project: painting table and chairs that are beechwood with clear coat on them.

I'm going to use BIN primer, Do I use the oil based or water based and why? Also do i need to tint it?

I want a close to matte black but durable finish, Do I use enamel, Oil based or laytex based paint, differences and why?

Do i still need a clear coat? which kind?

I"ve gotten so many conflicted ideas I'm not sure which to go with....
Not sure if i can find a Benj Moore around me is anything at Lowes or HD acceptable.

Please be specific. thanks so much want to start tomorrow!
 
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Oil based is better because it is more durable and creates a better bond.You will need to properly prepare the clear coat surface through sanding etc first.Tinting might help you cover it with the black but is optional not mandatory.Oil enamel is also more durable but you could put a matte poly over it for more durability.Waterbourne poly is the better idea there but oil would also work.Again it's up to you.Lowes and HD carry both good and really lousy products.Problem is there is no qualified help to assist you in figuring out which is which.Go to a hardware or paint store and seek qualified help.
 
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went to sherwin williams and he said the only decent thing is the All Surface Enamel.
this comes in oil or acrylic latex
not sure which to choose and if i need a top coat.

you can put waterbased polyacrylic over oil based enamel?

trying to get this done this week thanks.
 
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Originally Posted by syd
you can put waterbased polyacrylic over oil based enamel?



I wouldn't.

Oil base paint dries to a harder finish than most latex paints. It also tends to flow together better resulting in less brush marks.
 
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Marksr and spdavid,
Ok this is great info!!!
i want to do this right the first time!

If i use an oil based paint does it have to have the word ENAMEL OR ALKYD in it???

and lastly oil based is tough enough for kids at the table spills drinks on it??? and its wipeable??
 
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Alkyd is another term for oil or solvent based paint Enamel is not and can be latex or water based.Oil based enamel would stand up to use and spillage.
 
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great info again....
another person has recommend a floor enamel....

now what choice would you guys make?....

all surface oil based enamel or
high performance floor enamel (says its waterborne, does this mean its not oil based? its sherwin williams, don't have a ben moore near me)
 
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I really like SWP's proclassic waterborne - IMO it is the best enamel I have ever used for interior woodwork. I don't know all the tech info but you might say it is a cross between latex and oil, combining the best properties of both.

A floor enamel should be more durable than regular enamel.

Waterborne is a little trickier to use than latex or oil but is easy to learn, it dries fast and you don't want to overbrush.
 
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marksr,
now you are really confusing me!!!
you'd recommend this for the table over Oil based ?

also if i use oil based primer can i use oil or latex paint over it?
 
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Latex or waterborne can both be used over an oil base primer. Depending on the application a solvent based primer is often preferred under a latex top coat.

I wouldn't recomend using latex over an oil base finish but it is fine over an oil base primer.

I wouldn't recomend using latex for this project - it doesn't dry hard enough. Both oil base enamel and waterborne enamel should be suitable. A floor enamel should wear even better.

sorry for the confusion
 
 

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