Building car garage shed, will this work?

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Old 12-22-15, 09:43 PM
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Building car garage shed, will this work?

Hi everyone. I'm going to be building an extra garage port in my backyard in the next few weeks. I am going to lay a slab or concrete about 4-5" thick, add some rebar and anchor pots. Which I will post questions regarding the pots later on.

For the shed I was thinking just stanind up some 4x6 posts 7' apart and nailing plywood to the side and top. Going to run a 4x4 on top connecting each 4x6 to hang lights from.
Also planning to put some 4x4 pieces on the angles where the 4x4 meets the 4x6 for added structure.
and having the at an angle on top (right side higher than the left side) for rain fall to slide off.

Im not going to have anything hanging in there or anything on the roof.

Do you guys/girls think this is sturdy enough just to store a car in there.
Thank you in advance
 
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Old 12-22-15, 09:53 PM
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I don't think so. I think you are describing something like this. That doesn't sound like any sort of structure that would be approved by a California building department. Maybe start by getting a permit.

Sounds more like a gazebo with warped plywood.
 
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Yea something like that i guess. Just plywood wrapped around 4x6 posts
 
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Old 12-22-15, 11:06 PM
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A pole barn would come closest to what you describe.

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Yes Ray, thank you for the reply! That is exactly what I am thinking of, a pole barn.
I looked up permitting laws and it states any unattached buildings/sheds not attached to a standing building can only be 120 sq ft(10'x12') with no permit.
Would it be possible to build this similar to the picture of the pole barn you posted Ray? It would just be fully enclosed though unlike the picture.
 
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Poles barns are built all the time that are fully enclosed. 10x12 isn't big enough to park a car in .... or are you just wanting to pull it in part way so you can work on it out of the rain/sun?
 
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Thanks for the reply Marksr. So it would be ok to build a pole barn it would just have to be 120 sq ft or less right? Yea I'm thinking 10x12 is too small. I wanted to store my restoration mustang in there and while I work on it here and there.
but also pull it out and do maintenance on my cars on the cold windy days.

Anything bigger than a 10x12 I would need a permit.

Thanks for the plans wire puller! They're going to come in handy if i go with a bigger building that needs permits.
 
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You need to double check with your permit office. Around here we don't need a permit for a shed less than 100 sq ft BUT it can't have any type of permanent foundation. Here 4x4 posts in the ground is allowed for a small shed without a permit but every jurisdiction can be different in what they allow.
 
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Thanks for the reply marker, I looked it up here and it can't be bigger than 120 sq ft.
I will double check with the permit office here.
What do you meant permanent foundation?
As in the post has to be buried into the dirt and cannot sit on a concrete slab?
 
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I don't think you will run into trouble whether the shed sits on a slab or other. You just need to stay at the 120 SF.
Once you go over the 120 SF, many other rules apply and it may not be pleasant getting a permit.
One zoning code is setbacks from property lines, and that alone can spoil a lot of plans.
 
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I looked into enlarging my garage once and seeing the limit before you needed a permit wondered if you could enlarge within no permit size, wait six months and enlarge again staying under permit required size.
 
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A 12 by 20 shed, barely enough room to work around a car and store a few tools is 240 square feet, already TWICE the size you are allowed without a permit. If I were using it for a restoration project I would want significantly more room, at least 15 by 25 (375 square feet) AND constructed in a manner to maintain a controlled temperature inside. Security would also be a concern.
 
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Thanks handyone, yea I read I have to be at least 3 ft away from any property lines, which isn't a problem. I was planning to build it in my backyard yard about 5 ft away from my rear and side neighbor. In a corner.
I also feel better securing the posts on a concrete slab. So that's good to know.

Ray, do you mean I could build a 120 SF shed then wait 6 months and add another 120 SF shed next to it? Making it a be large shed?
Is it possible to build 2 seperate 120 SF sheds side by side with maybe a 1' separation gap that can be easily covered and uncovered?
I know it's possible, what I mean is, is this going against any permit laws?(rough question as each county is different, looking for a yes or no so I know what to expect if I ask the permit office)Building 2 sheds very close to one another.

Furd you are right. I don't want to be working in crammed spaces nor do I want cold winds penetrating gaps in the structure.
Now that I know I can build a 120 SF shed with no permit. I have planned building a much smaller shed next to it for tools and such. Maybe an 8'x8' shed or smaller.
Thanks for bringing up the security. I had not thought of that since I had this planned for my backyard but one never knows these days. Going to have to start looking into security safe structures too.
 
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What do you meant permanent foundation?
In my county, if you pour a footer, slab or have a block foundation - a permit is required, no matter how small the shed is.
 
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Ahh! I will have to definitely ask the permit office about this then. Building a shed with posts in the ground for tool or cars on dirt sounds like a mess. Thanks
 
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You can put a wood floor in the tool shed and still be legal with the no permit rule but that does raise the height of the shed. Some subdivisions have height restrictions on out buildings. BUT rules/regs change from county to county and you are all the way across the country. Your permit office can tell you better what is allowed in your jurisdiction better than any of us can.
 
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The 3' setback you mentioned is for a shed. If you decide to go larger, that changes.
Unless you have a large lot, the setbacks will be impossible to meet.

You should check with the city just so you know. It should be easy to get some info on setbacks and such. Many cities have flyers detailing the typical requirements.
 
 

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