Trane vs. Carrier vs. York? Are they all pretty much the same?


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Old 05-19-03, 10:37 PM
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Trane vs. Carrier vs. York? Are they all pretty much the same?

My mom's house needs the AC replaced, but she'll probably get the whole furnace and AC done at once since its ~20 years old.

Are Trane, York, and Carrier all decent brands? She's planning on staying in the house at least 10 years, probably more like 15 or so.

Is it worth getting a higher efficiency furnace/AC? Also, can someone explain the benefits of a dual stage blower or whatever you guys call it. How much extra will that run and is it worth it?

The house is a 20 year old ranch, ~1600 sq. ft, vaulted ceilings, new siding and windows, in St. Louis=humid.

Thanks in advance, this is a great site.
 
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Old 05-20-03, 03:04 AM
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Re: Trane vs. Carrier vs. York? Are they all pretty much the same?

Originally posted by Fivelitr50
My mom's house needs the AC replaced, but she'll probably get the whole furnace and AC done at once since its ~20 years old.

Are Trane, York, and Carrier all decent brands? She's planning on staying in the house at least 10 years, probably more like 15 or so.

Is it worth getting a higher efficiency furnace/AC? Also, can someone explain the benefits of a dual stage blower or whatever you guys call it. How much extra will that run and is it worth it?

The house is a 20 year old ranch, ~1600 sq. ft, vaulted ceilings, new siding and windows, in St. Louis=humid.

Thanks in advance, this is a great site.
You'll get better replies later from more qualified people. I'll give you what I know. I've learned quite a bit lately but nothing compared to others here. A lot of the people here do HVAC for a living. I don't though. This is really long but here goes.

The installer/contractor and their design and installation is more important than brand. Some brands are better than others though. If money isn't an issue I would go with the Carrier, Bryant(same as Carrier) Lennox, Trane or Amana. I haven't heard a lot about York. I think it's more of an economy brand. Stay away from Goodman, Janitrol and a few others. Pick a contractor with a lot of experience and time in the area. Get references to other jobs they've done and check them out. Ask friends, relatives and neighbors who they've had and find out how satisfied they are. Make sure the contractor has a good reputation. I wouldn't go with the cheapest estimate either. You get what you pay for. Check them out with the Better Business Bureau and the city for complaints. Get at least three estimates. That way you'll get at least three load calculations(what size equipment you need), three opinions of the work needed and you can make comparisons between the three and learn a lot that way. Get an extended warranty and consider maintenance agreements. This isn't like car or appliance warranty ripoffs usually.

I would get the high efficiency furnace if she's going to stay longer than 5-7 years. That way she should get the energy payback. You will also have a sealed combustion system that doesn't use room air to create the draft to remove the furnace exhaust. You'll save on your gas bills too. How much really depends on your climate.

She should at least get the two stage furnace vs. the single stage. It can run longer but at less output on those days when you need heat but it's not freezing cold and ramp up to high stage when needed. It's usually only a $200 diff. or so. As for the variable speed blower it will run longer, quieter, lower strength when needed, use less electricity and let you run the fan continuously 24/7 for more even temps. throughout the house and better filtration. That can be up to $600-900 more though.

As for AC, the higher SEER you go the more expensive it gets. I think there may be a law of diminishing returns here. You'll save more on your electric bill but sometimes the units are much more expensive. I'm about to get a new system and I'm looking at 12-14 SEER(efficiency). There are units higher than that. I'm also considering the new R-410A refrigerant but I'm not sure on that yet. The current freon(R-22) refrigerant is being phased out and after 2010 no units will be built with it and after 2020 R-22 won't be produced anymore but it will still be available in limited supply for servicing until it runs out I guess.

Make sure you get a media filter too. It will help air quality in the home. the Spacegard/Aprilaire are very good. I'd stay away from electronic air cleaners. They require a lot of maintenance, can make noise and produce ozone. Too much ozone can effect you especially if you have asthma or other conditions.

I notice your screen name. What Mustang sites do you post at? I'm at the Corral under a different name and I go to a few others.
 
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Old 05-20-03, 08:46 AM
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I post as zeus on the corral, I remember your post about the $12K job you are getting. Thats how I found this site. I've seen a few of your other posts around here too as I've been trying to learn a few things.

So far the only rough estimate she's gotten is from a guy that works for the local gas company and does side jobs. He has tons of references in our neighborhood but my concern is that he's not a "true" business. Not sure if this could be a problem. He's been installing York stuff for the past 15 years exclusively.

I'm thinking of calling Home Depot to get an estimate on Trane stuff, I'm guessing they subcontract it all out?

So basically you are saying the high efficiency furnace is worth it but spending too much on a higher efficiency AC doesn't gain as much due to the costs?

She already has an electronic air cleaner and doesn't have any problems w/ allergies that I know of so she'll probably keep that.

Thanks for the reply.
 
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Old 05-20-03, 03:30 PM
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I remember you replied to that thread I put up.

It's up to you but I wouldn't get someone that does it on the side and usually the people that Home Depot will refer you to are there because they will do it really cheap. This is definitely an industry where you get what you pay for. I would seek out some reputable, well known contractors with good references who do it everyday as their only job. I think you'll get a better install that way.

You're probably better off getting advice on the AC efficiency from one of the experienced guys on this site. I would look at the 12-14 SEER range because I didn't see a big enough utility savings to justify the extra cost of the 15-19 SEER units. I would get better informed opinions on that though. It depends a lot on your area and climate. This site is good and another one is:

http://www.hvac-talk.com Go to residential hvac

Here's some manufacturer sites:

http://www.carrier.com

http://www.lennox.com

http://www.trane.com

http://www.amana-hac.com

http://www.bryant.com
 

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Old 05-20-03, 05:48 PM
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I'm thinking of calling Home Depot to get an estimate on Trane stuff, I'm guessing they subcontract it all out?
Yes they are..... We have 3 dealers in the area that does our store here in Rochester.

Just call 1-800-79-depot, and set up an appointment w/ a dealer to do the job.

The Trane Comfort Specialist dealer are a higher level dealer who has to have classes on and update training

Check out the web page..

http://tranesystems.com/TraneHomePage.asp
 
 

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