No 24 volts to A/C or thermostat.


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Old 07-16-21, 08:31 AM
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No 24 volts to A/C or thermostat.

HI Everyone,

I have a really old Lennox unit that ac stopped working I checked the contactor and no 24 vots to outside. Went to the thermostat and I'm only getting 10 volts when testing voltage between red and yellow. I opened my unit and there is no control board. What is sending the unit power ? What should be checked. I really need to fix.

That is all that is in unit.
 

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Old 07-16-21, 08:55 AM
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The transformer is sending control power, that’s located in the photo. Check incoming voltage, and then secondary voltage.
It appears to be hanging from that bracket? And there are wires rubbing on the cabinet knockout. That will cause a short.
 
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Old 07-16-21, 09:20 AM
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A classic repair. The replacement fan center hanging off the old plate.

Instead of changing the center as a unit.... they swapped the new transformer on to the old plate.
The labeling you see in the picture is on your unit. You need to carefully move the wiring in front of it so you can see it. You need to check for 24vAC from R to C.

 
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Old 07-16-21, 09:52 AM
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Hey pjmax. Is that the transformer I need in the photo you uploaded. I'm at work now and would pick it up on tge way home.

Thanks in advance.


Woukd transformer be issue if heat and everythingelse is getting 24v. Just not ac.
 
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I wouldn’t buy parts now. Diagnose the issue first. The air conditioner gets control voltage from the furnace.
If you replace the transformer make sure to install some sort of current protection. If you have a short, it will destroy the new transformer immediately without protection.
 
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Old 07-16-21, 10:09 AM
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That is called a fan center. The 24v transformer runs everything and the relay is for the furnace blower.
There are many different versions. They look a little different but all work the same way.
 
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Why would the ac yellow wire only get 10 volts and everything else get 24 volts ?
 
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Is it getting 24V at R and C on the transformer, and 24V at all the other places at the stat?
 

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Ok I'm not sure if was already loose but the white low voltage wire that goes to outside contactor is loose in the furnace. There is a red and white wire that runs from fan center to contactor. The red one goes where the thermostat wires are going but the white is not connectedto anything. Does anyone know where the white wire should go

 
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Basic wiring diagram.
R on fan center supplies 24vac TO thermostat.
C on fan center supplies 24v Common TO thermostat and common to outside condenser.
G on thermostat supplies switched 24vac BACK to thermostat for blower.
Y on thermostat supplies switched 24vac BACK to Y terminal for A/C condenser.
W on thermostat supplies switched 24vac BACK to W terminal for Heat.

The Y and W terminals are dead terminals. They don't create any voltage. They are just a splice point.

If you have 24vac to R and C but only 10v at Y. Either something is inline or the thermostat is bad.
The wiring circuit is very simple.
Make sure you don't have an overflow float switch in the R or Y line.


If the red and white are going to the outside condenser...... one wire is on C and the other on Y.
 
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Old 07-17-21, 06:22 AM
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When I see voltage issues with those old consolidated furnaces I usually start with the door switch. The 16 gauge wire connected to the door switch is often melted.
 
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Sorry for late reply but its all fixed. It was just that white wire had gotten loose.
 
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Good job. Thanks for letting us know how you made out.
 
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Door switch wire melted

When I see voltage issues with those old consolidated furnaces I usually start with the door switch. The 16 gauge wire connected to the door switch is often melted. -From houston204

YES. Power to switch melted on my unit. Unit is almost 30 yrs old. Replaced control board couple years ago.
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that it melted in the box at the wire nut. Really melted! Why would this happen? Would this indicate that transformer is bad?
 
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It doesn’t. It would indicate a loose connection.
 
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Thank you for responding!
So the wire nut was not tight and over time it eventually melted? (That's what I wanted to hear)
Meaning I can just replace wiring and all should be good. Right?
 
 

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